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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 24, 2016 6:31:18 GMT -5
Just givin you a hard time Jeffers.
When Bo Bo comes with his hoist, it's a matter of unbolting it, a few wiggles and out it comes. I have removed the transmission/transfer case buy removing the drive shaft, and the use of a couple of jacks.
It is much easier with a hoist.
Be careful.
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 24, 2016 6:33:03 GMT -5
There are things that must be done to disconnect the engine other than just unbolt it. Things like the clutch cross shaft, and clutch fork removal. That depends on taking or leaving the bell housing with the engine. Lots to learn. Since HG is now a expert, I think he should come down or up, or sideways, to advise you. Trailer is just too lame a job now that he has the Jeep done. Your wife will be impressed------  This might be possible and fun if Bo Jeff And I could get together and do this as a team. Don't tell anybody, but hanging out with those guys is fun. What do you mean my trailer is lame!!!! |
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 24, 2016 6:46:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I'd have to die to impress my wife, LOL. I'd thought about leaving the bell housing intact for the reasons you touched on, and when I got closer was going to ask for advice on pros, cons and personal triumphs and tribulations in doing one way over the other (and vice versa). Seems like every time I glance at the ol 903 I see or read something a different way. Never did touch the bugger yesterday - long day at work, prep for dinner was a bust so we hadda dine out, had a vanful of weaponry I had to return, and the list -like Ariston- goes on and on and on. I usually just stand there for a second, knowing if I start something I will either get interrupted or rush the job expecting interruption and FUBARISE something. Got another late day today, but hope to capitalise on the added advantage of no school tomorrow and at the weekend to make some progress.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 6:48:23 GMT -5
Jeff...if you aren't doing this anytime soon, then you should read up on the subject. Back before I had this impeccable think tank to lean on, I did a couple of big jobs like this without any experience. I would read the pages in that book that you have- it describes the step by step process on what exactly to do when removing/replacing the engine, transmission, etc. read the steps, look at the pictures, familiarize yourself with those spots on your jeep. Then, once I felt I understood and could comprehend the details, I'd get started.
By the way, my offer for Saturday still stands if you and Schiller are available.
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 24, 2016 7:57:50 GMT -5
Bobo, I'm a dodo. I misread your message to understand that you were NOT available. I totally get it now, LOL. It's on -let's do this.
As I said above, I get turned around in some of the sections as I've been thumbing through the TM. Still with my lack of familiarity with the parts, names and functions I am behind the curve that you guys set - I'm sure you could remove and rebuild stuff with your head tied behind your back and arms removed. I've also gone to the lengths of finding other applicable material like John Barton's jeep rebuild tutorial in PDF format, along with many links from other enthusiast sites, including this quote: "I think most will agree that there is no one 'correct' way to remove these components. Engine, transmission and transfer case is a serious piece of iron to handle as a unit. I, also, have done this in one piece and it is not worth it. I have the best success leaving the bell housing on the engine and separating it at the tranny. Remove the tranny and transfer case from underneath with a jack....Remove the grill...terribly easy and gives much better access...sometimes the seemingly long way around is actually the shorter." -Howard on CJ2A page
Reading materials, then picturing in one's mind, and finally doing the job, well I suspect that's easier said than done. Reminds me of a guy with umpteen IT certs but didn't know how to get to any of the settings once he sat in front of a computer. I'm looking forward to it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 9:16:25 GMT -5
Start with ENGINE REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION. On page page 116
Then go to TRANSMISSION REMOVAL page 173
Once the process begins, the jeep becomes stationary. We will need some space, too...to crawl around underneath it on both sides, as well as an area in the front for the hoist.
Schiller...you down? I'd like to start early.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 9:41:52 GMT -5
Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force: You are about to embark on the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of Haines Garage are upon you. Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely. You have a Plan and a set Goal. The plan WILL change with first enemy contact, do NOT lose sight of the set goal-VICTORY!! With Shiller as brains and Moosey as brawn-(no on 2nd thought flip that) accept nothing less than complete and total enemy surrender! CARRY ON!! Attachments:
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 24, 2016 10:03:08 GMT -5
Start with ENGINE REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION. On page page 116 Then go to TRANSMISSION REMOVAL page 173 Once the process begins, the jeep becomes stationary. We will need some space, too...to crawl around underneath it on both sides, as well as an area in the front for the hoist. Schiller...you down? I'd like to start early. EXACTLEY WHAT HE SAID.... What's early? I might could be there for the morning hours. Coffee!!!!! Y'all got tools ? |
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 24, 2016 10:06:07 GMT -5
The hardest step for me to grasp was pg.116, paragraph 60, item a. (116/60a) LOL
The engine part will be minimal, as I've done all through 116/60h save a couple. (oil line, accel.rod, and engine supports) 116/60i is also undone.
Transmission should be quick, but my lack of expertise and (maybe) proper tools led me to err on the side of caution, and that's all intact. I've completed about half of the indicated steps on 173/115a but plan to do that today or tomorrow.
Y'all scared yet? If you saw my garage you'd be more scared for my jeep! This operation will be rivaled only by doing brain surgery in a pigsty - in the rain!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 14:13:18 GMT -5
Clue: once you remove the driveshafts, the Jeep can roll, even when it's in gear. If it's up on a hoist, real good idea to block the wheels front and back. I got a green shower one time. Found that indeed the Jeep will roll, even with the engine sitting on blocks at the rear. When the rear falls down and contacts the firewall, it jerks the upper radiator hose off the upper radiator outlet. Hence-------Green Shower!  |
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 24, 2016 15:17:13 GMT -5
I Am Down For Saturday Morning. I can be there around 9 am. Have to leave at lunch time. It won't take that long.....
Any specific tools that you think you might need?
I have a huge sledge hammer and then there is BIG HENRY!!!!
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 24, 2016 15:17:50 GMT -5
Jeff do you own an engine stand?
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 24, 2016 18:01:56 GMT -5
I barely own an engine, let alone a stand. I'd love to borrow one if that's possible. I think I have tools other than hoist and stand. Finding room, well that's gonna get interesting ..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 19:09:35 GMT -5
Jeff if'n you're gonna do this you GOTTA have room to work. Dedicated space or else shit gets lost, damaged, F-scripted. Seriously Man!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 20:14:17 GMT -5
I'd love to be done before lunch. There had better be coffee...a lot of it. And cigarettes and Coors lite for (ho)Moe.
I'll be there before nine. Famous last words.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 6:34:55 GMT -5
I think the avitar says it all. You guys will be monkeying around.
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 25, 2016 9:05:45 GMT -5
Jeff
Do you have PB Blaster or equivalent?
You should have been or do so now, be soaking any bolts that would be necessary.
I.E. Exhaust, bolts to bell housing , drive shaft, etc.
This will make our job much easier.
Have ziplock bags and sharpie markers on hand.
This is going to be fun.....
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 25, 2016 9:06:09 GMT -5
Jeff if'n you're gonna do this you GOTTA have room to work. Dedicated space or else shit gets lost, damaged, F-scripted. Seriously Man! Yeah!!!!! What he said!!! |
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 25, 2016 11:22:53 GMT -5
Think I've made as much room as I can. Crawling about underneath trying to determine what else I can take off without being a detriment ..
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Post by Ryan_M on Mar 26, 2016 6:09:12 GMT -5
This should go well. Sitting here guzzling coffee and awaiting live updates....  |
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 26, 2016 6:52:10 GMT -5
Ryan, that's exactly the photo I've been working on editing ... LOL, that and others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 11:05:23 GMT -5
Should be getting updates soon, what gives?? Attachments:
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 26, 2016 11:56:00 GMT -5
I think we found the problem boys.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 12:13:56 GMT -5
That's NOT a WW2 crankshaft, but it looks like the salt rain of the lowlands has really F'ed that one up bad!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 12:20:59 GMT -5
In Jeff's defense, he never claimed it was a WW2 engine. ...only the head is. It's definitely a post war block. It's been rebuilt a time or two. There are 4 rivet holes on the side of the block where the rebuild tag once lived. Also, the water pump boss is clean so I'm thinking it's been milled once in its lifetime.
I could not believe how rusty that thing was. It is quite humid here.
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