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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 6, 2016 18:56:13 GMT -5
Hahahahahaha! And get one of your kids to video and post it to YouTube! Exactly!, or have HG come over and video it............ Perhaps your kids should do it!  Now you are just hitting below the belt... I sent that Bastage pics on how I made the wires and ground. Don't worry Jeff. I will drive over soon and look at your electric. I need to bring you your HG shirts and get those 44 blankets and Coors light bucket. Maybe Turocy will come too. Now that would be Legend. |
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 12, 2016 9:38:28 GMT -5
Without spoiling the emotional story of the medal ceremony yesterday, I want to let you in on one thing which might turn this failed prospect of me ever driving my jeep again to a potential solution. In the car on the way to Columbia, Archie, Steve and I (a monumental accomplishment in itself, but I dont' want to digress into all that backstory) hit on all topics, but talked a lot about my jeep. I've got to get her on the road for the 19th event, I'm committed and it's too late to turn back. If I have to pull her there, well hell I will. MOST guys mightn't even spend time thinking about attending a scale model show, much less committing to a military display but I digress.
Archie and Steve have "been there, done that" with my situation. EXACT SAME THING. A combination of confusing factors led them to do this. The plan we hit on is to remove all plugs, apply small circular "caps" over the plug holes made of material thin enough to register whichever cylinder pressure at TDC is high, and determine whether my engine is timed "according to the book". Turns out, Archie's was FUBAR and his cylinder at TDC was not #1 but was actually #3 due to either the misalignment of the oil pump or the flywheel ... oh hell I can't remember all the particulars. You know I can barely follow a technical discussion. Anyway that is the plan. Oilly, if that's what you meant by being 180 degrees off, I didn't "get it". Remember, as if you could forget, I'm a 'poseur mechanique' .. in other words, I need crayons and snacktime, maybe a nap to keep up.
At some point later down the road when I am not pressed for time I will do the right thing- the transmission, seals, pull the oil pump and realign the distributor and flywheel properly and on and on. It was fun to drive her "as is" when she ran, but NOW I know I need to know way more to even keep up if you all DUMB IT DOWN. After yesterday's discussion, I think I understand the theory of all that we covered, but the practical knowledge and experience is what I lack. (Mechanical ability, Schiller's dashing good looks, a goat - the list goes on.. )
Thanks for letting me in the door of the garage. I've no right to hold your shop towels, let alone having the ability to stay apace on any of the discussions. You've seen me retreat from the "hard stuff" and instead make a sign or two. I appreciate you all for your mechanical knowhow, individual expertise, and most of all for not cutting out the weakest link in the chain. I'm determined to unshackle myself from that title.
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 12, 2016 10:18:29 GMT -5
Update: can't find my hand crank. LOL I'm such a putz
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 10:20:01 GMT -5
Jeff.
Do not constrain yourself to believe that #1 is will ALWAYS be at the five o’clock rotor position. #1 cylinder will ALWAYS be at the front of the motor. But put that out of your mind for now. Your motor’s problem is an improperly indexed oil pump. That is easy even for an old left-handed Polack like me to fix. Start with that. I know you can do it because I never did it until I did it. To this day I still have to look at the instructions before I would attempt it. Be patient with yourself. You’ll get there soon enough. A little story to back this up. I nearly washed out of flight school because I couldn’t perform a safe autorotation (power off emergency landing). I was absolutely terrified of leveling the copter just prior to touchdown, which insures a level landing. It is unnatural and goes against human instinct to do this (face a fear). I had an instructor who was a PITA when it came to this. I got over another fear and asked for a different instructor. The new teacher had more patience and within an hour’s flight time had coaxed and coached me to do the right thing. Learning how to perform a safe autorotation saved my life twice. Admittedly your situation is not as dire as mine was, but I think you’ll get the point.
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 12, 2016 11:36:41 GMT -5
Replying from the road... God help Siri decipher my babbling. Found my hand crank but the engine will not turn. Bo told me could be rusty bearings or rusty pistons. Either way sounds in improbable to fix quickly, specially since I'll be gone for about an hour and a half. I won't be able to even begin teardown until at least then
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 12, 2016 11:38:19 GMT -5
Jeff.
Do not constrain yourself to believe that #1 is will ALWAYS be at the five o’clock rotor position. #1 cylinder will ALWAYS be at the front of the motor. But put that out of your mind for now. Your motor’s problem is an improperly indexed oil pump. That is easy even for an old left-handed Polack like me to fix. Start with that. I know you can do it because I never did it until I did it. To this day I still have to look at the instructions before I would attempt it. Be patient with yourself. You’ll get there soon enough. A little story to back this up. I nearly washed out of flight school because I couldn’t perform a safe autorotation (power off emergency landing). I was absolutely terrified of leveling the copter just prior to touchdown, which insures a level landing. It is unnatural and goes against human instinct to do this (face a fear). I had an instructor who was a PITA when it came to this. I got over another fear and asked for a different instructor. The new teacher had more patience and within an hour’s flight time had coaxed and coached me to do the right thing. Learning how to perform a safe autorotation saved my life twice. Admittedly your situation is not as dire as mine was, but I think you’ll get the point. Thank you scout I appreciate the sentiment, and someday when I meet you I want to hear the stories about auto rotation!! It's not only unbelievable that helicopters can fly, it's even harder to believe that they can be flown when things go wrong!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 11:46:01 GMT -5
Good Lord willing and the Creeks don’t rise, we will. You are correct to a certain degree. When you let go of the controls of an airplane in trimmed-up straight and level flight it will continue to fly straight and level until it runs out of fuel. A helicopter wants to crash immediately in that circumstance. Have faith in yourself.
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 13, 2016 7:04:31 GMT -5
Latest confirmation from my inexperienced view: pulled head, metal shavings in #1-2, still can't crank by hand so guessing that the bearings seized (I might have helped grind them into nubs by continuing to crank when it got difficult... Sigh) OR the shavings are the rings being ground. Inside cylinders don't appear to be damaged or scratched, just a little surface flash rusting. Perfect storm? Maybe in my trepidation in doing it without a babysitter I caused my newest problem, but in the other hand, not knowing the condition of the bearings or really having "the eye" to gauge the condition I will try to go easy myself. I just hate having to eat that might plate of crow soufflé Schiller's got cooling on the baking rack... I'll forget about driving her to the event and concentrate on assembling parts to revive her. She May still make to the show, just got to figure out how now. I'll post a subtopic to this: the rebuild
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 8:44:04 GMT -5
Metal shavings = problems in Virginia City. Sounds like overhaul time. Do you have a older trusted machine shop near you? A experienced mechanic that knows Jeeps? Spending money to band aid fix it will end up being a waste. You need to check the whole thing out. MB/GPW engines are getting scarce. If you could find a generator like Ryan did, now that would be a dream deal. Oilly
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 13, 2016 11:17:29 GMT -5
Simmons machine shop.
They are awesome.
Take your block, head, crank, flywheel, cam, connecting rods, and purchase a new set of valves and guide.
Have them hot tank the head and block.
Maguniflux the head and block.
Check the crank, flywheel, and cam.
They will then tell you what can and can't be done.
Decide at that point what to do.
If in doubt ask...
They connecting rods need to be sized. Or put back in round.
Time period expected 2-4 weeks.
I have been through this particular process 7 times.
Out of that 2 engines were saved.
I think I hold some kind of record for retiring blocks to the scrapyard.
If you tow to the show, it will be lighter!!!
You can also snatch the transmission and transfer case out.
Or.......
Hunt a running engine.
There's got to be one around here somewhere !!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 11:33:19 GMT -5
Metal shavings in 1&2 but no scored walls? Describe said shavings Jeff. You're saying you cant turn the crankshaft? Did you put a socket on the crank pulley nut and try it? What's the condition if the oil? Shiney? Drop a magnet in the oil and see what you pull out. Muley.
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 13, 2016 11:39:57 GMT -5
PICTURES!!!
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 14, 2016 6:43:42 GMT -5
Yes, yes sorry I'll post some pics. Need to sort out a site and sit and do it. Not like I'll get to jeepin, so might as well. Thanks to you all thus far for your input - Thomas, the younger of my 9 year olds, said to me "just think dad, with the engine out you can finally paint the jeep so it looks good". And I thought I'd beaten myself up sufficiently!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 7:46:07 GMT -5
Thomas certainly has a way with words. I think he made some sort of similar comment about my Weasie one day. Or maybe he was telling me that I didn't have original parts on it. lol
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 15, 2016 4:18:38 GMT -5
In preparation to pull the heart of this beast, I've gots all the electric system components out and all fixtures safely tucked away in marked bins. I will really be able to clean this stuff up. Thomas was a big help - maybe he felt sorry for me, or knew I'd screw something up. I really will have to post some pics eventually. What I'm leaning toward ( ideal world situation ) is financing a new RFJP reconditioned engine so I don't have to wonder how long a Craigslist special will last, then rebuild this one and perhaps sell it to recoup some cabbage. Really tweaked my thumb getting the generator out - heavy bastard is awkward, especially the way I did it. NO, I'm not taking pics. Boy I'm wackbards as they come
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 5:21:24 GMT -5
Jeff, you know how we are about photos. You can email them to me and I’ll post them for you. How’s that?
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 15, 2016 7:36:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 10:43:37 GMT -5
Here ya go Jeff.. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 13:34:32 GMT -5
Excellent cartoon. We've all been there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 13:48:04 GMT -5
I certainly have slept on it. Things are much clearer when you do that. I was able to smash that damn thing on the first hit! |
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 15, 2016 15:13:10 GMT -5
LMAO at the Charlie Brown!!!!!!
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 16, 2016 4:22:12 GMT -5
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 16, 2016 4:22:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 5:12:51 GMT -5
The broken throttle foot is not a good thing. Very high probability of a vacuum leak.
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 16, 2016 6:17:26 GMT -5
At this point a vacuum (or any other leak) is the least of my growing list of worries. I better start hanging out at Home Depot or the local gas station to get some day-labour work!
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