My 1942 GPW S/N 76242

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Feb 27, 2016 21:29:31 GMT -5 @brucew said:

Also --- "recirculate the fuel back to the carb"? The fuel did not come from the carb, it can not be sent back.

BW

Thank you for that articulate response. I always assumed after long periods of non use the fuel back flowed down the fuel line towards the pump. That is why it would take so many pumps of the lever to get the fuel to the point that one could hear it squirting into the carb. That is why I chose the word "recirculate". It was there, went away and then came back. Kind of like: the fuel went to the carb. It did not go in the carb. I went to your house, but did not go in your house. When I leave and arrive back home, where did I come from? Or was there never fuel in that fuel line?

Bruce, please explain to me then why on my weapons carrier after extended periods of non-use I must disconnect the fuel line from the carb and suck fuel back up it. (I use my brake bleeder kit for this job). When I previously shut the WC down, was there not fuel in that line (the line from the pump to the carb). Where did the fuel go?

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The fuel left in the bowl evaporates over time. A properly seated needle will not allow fuel to return to the pump. If the the outflow check valve in the fuel pump is not sealing properly, fuel can flow back to a low spot in the system and the residual will evaporate. Manual primer pumps, on the fuel pump or mounted in the dash board, replenished that supply to the bowl for vehicles that sat unused for extended periods of time. 

[jeffwho]

Question for clarification. Moosey and I put the timing mark on TDC at #1 firing, but the TM says the timing mark at that point should be set to IGN. Am I reading it wrong, in other words reading the timing mark in the wrong place? Second question: would that keep me from being able to start it with the hand crank too? I'm really out of my league at this point

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IGN. = 5 Degrees BTDC. Yes, that would be enough to stop you from cranking it. You need to be close. Off just a little and you can feel the engine fight the starter.

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Feb 28, 2016 7:01:16 GMT -5 @themoose74 said:

Feb 27, 2016 21:29:31 GMT -5 @brucew said:

Also --- "recirculate the fuel back to the carb"? The fuel did not come from the carb, it can not be sent back.

BW

Thank you for that articulate response. I always assumed after long periods of non use the fuel back flowed down the fuel line towards the pump. That is why it would take so many pumps of the lever to get the fuel to the point that one could hear it squirting into the carb. That is why I chose the word "recirculate". It was there, went away and then came back. Kind of like: the fuel went to the carb. It did not go in the carb. I went to your house, but did not go in your house. When I leave and arrive back home, where did I come from? Or was there never fuel in that fuel line?

Bruce, please explain to me then why on my weapons carrier after extended periods of non-use I must disconnect the fuel line from the carb and suck fuel back up it. (I use my brake bleeder kit for this job). When I previously shut the WC down, was there not fuel in that line (the line from the pump to the carb). Where did the fuel go?

I'm not saying that it does not drain back, evaporate or somehow else disappear. It shouldn't, but it appears in many cases that it does. All of my jeeps are hard to start after sitting a long time.
I see what you mean about "recirculate". If I go to your house, but don't go in, then return home, then someone sends me to your house again, I've just been "recirculated", right? BW

[jeffwho]

Oilly, I found it extremely difficult to line up that damned IGN mark on the flywheel getting up and down off the ground looking through a mirror into the timing hole - oh, one other thing I noticed is that it is very difficult to even turn the crank lately. No one in my household could help! I see what you're saying though, and it sure sounds like the starter is having difficulty, just like you said. I'll fiddle with it more when I get home from the mine today. It feels like I've got multiple issues and one solution caused yet another! Grrrr

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Jeff, When IGN is in the round timing window, is your rotor pointing to the # 1 wire? Reason for asking is, someone could have put the flywheel on 180 degrees off, or put the distributor in and just found which cylinder was at TDC on compression stroke and started the 1342 timing sequence there. I would double check by pulling the spark plugs and feel # 1 for compression pushing your finger out of the spark plug hole. When it stops pushing your finger, you will be at TDC. You must turn the crankshaft clockwise standing in front of the Jeep looking rearwards. That's the direction the engine runs. When you find TDC on # 1, and the rotor is pointing at it, you back off the crank counterclockwise past IGN. Then come back to that mark and stop. This takes any slack out of the drive gears. You then loosen the distributor, turn it retard direction, then bring it back until it just begins to crack open the point gap. This is called static timing. It should be very very close and the engine should fire close enough to start. If it doesn't, try a small shot of carb clean in the crossover tube. It should run a little even if the carb isn't working. Oilly

[jeffwho]

Never did get to go out and fiddle yesterday. Truth be said, I know that bitch laughs at me, but that's oK I am married and used to it. If you heard bells going off, that's because you may have just hit the ball on the head. I don't know what I was thinking, eyeballing TDC by the rotor position without verifying compression in #1. Yes, the rotor was aimed at #1, but it might have not been where it needed to be because I was looking ONLY at the distributor. I'll see if I can check tonight and let you know. Thanks for hanging in there with Ol Dopey, guys. I changed my avatar to more accurately depict how I spend 95% of my time in the garage.

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That's not an Avatar Jeff, it's a Badge, a Badge we all wear proudly here in the garage. Got Banannas

[jeffwho]

OK so got some new info. Took out all the plugs and proved to myself that the crank turned easier. Check. Got out all the lights and mirrors I need to adjust static timing, and convinced myself somehow that I could adjust the carb. Texted Moosey just to be sure, that way I could blame him for something! Anyway, I think I got it worked out - the TDC mark is closely aligned with the marks on the bellhousing, and the points are just about to open. I think we had them adjusted to be OPEN at the same setup before. Got everything back together, gave it a try with just the key on - in other words, no primed fuel pump or starter juice (I'm not allowed to start her in the garage, especially after bedtime AND with the doors closed ...) in the mix. The starter felt like it turned way easier than it had been doing, EVEN with a not-fully-charged battery. I'm hopeful that if I don't have anything foisted on me but a couple beers today, I will see if she actually starts.

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I’m pulling for you!

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Its been quiet on the other side of Summerville lately. I wonder if either his wife killed him or the jeep had enough of Jeff and rolled backwards, pinning his foot. I bet the poor sap is stuck in the Netherlands of his garage. Thinking about his household, he might be perfectly content there, too.

[jeffwho]

Two nights ago, I was rarin to go - she told me to leave her alone. THEN I went out to the garage! No luck with the jeep either. SO Last night I charged the battery, then hadda feed the heathens.
By the time I was done with the dishes, the Boss was back AND I got lost doing research on a friend's friend who served with the OSS during WWII (Jedburghs) and graduated into serving with the Special Forces through Vietnam. By that time it was about 2100, well past my beddybyetime. I finished "Fighter Pilot" (Robin Olds) and started "The Lost Airman". OK OK OK to tell the truth I got grounded from working on the jeep from the last time I tried to swear start it and got in trouble, LLLLOLLLL (I'm aparently now Welsh!)

We'll see if I can ever get anywhere, garage or otherwise.

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Jeff, How was the Robin Olds book. .?

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Mar 4, 2016 18:35:02 GMT -5 @lee said:

Jeff, How was the Robin Olds book. .?

Do tell!

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Mar 4, 2016 10:50:21 GMT -5 jeffwho said:

Two nights ago, I was rarin to go - she told me to leave her alone.

Hate it when that happens.....

[jeffwho]

Guys, it's a great read. I'll share if you'd like to borrow it. Cap, PM me your post address and it'll show up then you can volley it onward.

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Thanks, but I will pick up my own copy for my collection!. A very interesting man.

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Cap'n I'm putting together a book order @ Amazon that includes 2 copies Of Mr Olds memoirs. Gotcha covered see ya in SD!

[jeffwho]

March 19 project deadline looms large. Still getting no starts, starter or crank. Only thing I haven't tried is launching it downhill and bucking it to life, but not convince even that would work. Danm thing has reverted back to being difficult to crank, and this stupid square end on the GPA hand crank I got is tough on the ring finger. Looking into larger gauge cables as HG indicated in his thread - seems to me perhaps that some of the electrical bits were barely working, so it didn't matter. Now that everything has been reconditioned (even by me..) and needs more of the right stuff to work. So, need to reexamine grounding points, fabricate more ground straps (any experience in doing this? I've seen the raw strap material at Grainger, I believe..) and figure this bugger out so I can get her to the show on time.

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Try a Hillbilly bubba start!............. Remove hood, and windshield assembly....... Push to street and chain to wife's car, have wife pull you at 15 mph, let out clutch in 2nd gear with ignition on and fuel in vehicle, now let out clutch, the engine will be spinning at this point, while steering with the left hand reach over the cowl and turn the distributor till the bastard runs, push in clutch, shift to neutral, properly adjust timing............. Then off to the welding supply store for 2/0 welding cable, and to the parts store for solder on ends, or pm me with the lengths of cable you need and I will make U a set!........

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Hahahahahaha!

And get one of your kids to video and post it to YouTube!

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Mar 6, 2016 15:21:11 GMT -5 @themoose74 said:

Hahahahahaha!

And get one of your kids to video and post it to YouTube!

Exactly!, or have HG come over and video it............ Perhaps your kids should do it!

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You forgot the part where Jeff jolts and jerks while the ignition coil shorts to his arm while steering with the other. Perhaps connect a jumper cable between Jeff and a suitable ground? Oilly

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Mar 6, 2016 16:34:53 GMT -5 @oilleaker1 said:

You forgot the part where Jeff jolts and jerks while the ignition coil shorts to his arm while steering with the other. Perhaps connect a jumper cable between Jeff and a suitable ground? Oilly

Good point!, if he has a set of those carbon fiber Chi-com wires, and the lowland humidity that will happen.

And may be part of the problem.......... Another thought!, if he removed the shift knob and sat on the shifting cane it would eliminate the need for a ground wire and the issue of where to attach it. He better get the Bastage running soon, I'm thinking to much!.