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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 19:05:30 GMT -5
Stayed tuned for our next exciting adventure. And the saga continues....dum-da-dum-dum, dum-da-dum-dum, dum-da-dum-DDUUMMMMM!
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Post by athawk11 on Apr 7, 2015 19:35:23 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Have you been using the starter button or have you tried doing a direct battery jump? I recall that you had the cheapo starter button hooked up and with all of the engine cranking/attempts you've been doing since you hooked it up a couple of weeks ago, it might have burned the switch. Agreed! Also, I only mention this because I know how many coats of paint you use...and your reluctance to scrape it off to make a good ground, but you do have bare clean metal on the face of the starter...and the rear engine plate...right? How about the engine plate to engine block? Just because you have big fancy battery cables, doesn't mean you have a good ground to the starter. |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 19:46:30 GMT -5
Stayed tuned for our next exciting adventure. And the saga continues....dum-da-dum-dum, dum-da-dum-dum, dum-da-dum-DDUUMMMMM! It is a saga... And here is why. All of you have my word that I will NEVER give up on this project until it complete. Most members here have told me that they have had the same similar experiences that I have had. That is something that we all share. I never since the beginning claimed to be a mechanic nor genius. I have learned, and still will have a lot to know I am sure, a TON of information about these Ole Jeeps that hopefully I can share with others someday. As you all know, I am a patient, calm, and very collected person. It will all come together in due time.... OK F THAT!! THIS SHIZZ IS DRIVING ME UP THE FIN WALL! THAT FING STARTER REBYILD POS HAS GOT MY BLOOD PREESURE WAY FIN HIGH!!!! TWO DAYS ON A MISPLACED FIN WASHER!!!! NOW THE SOME A NUN BATCH SPINS AND I GOT NO FING RUNNING CHASSIS DRIVING BREAKS ALL ADJUSTED AND READY TO FIN GO SPINNIN PULL THE PLUGS AND SPIN IT WHAT THE F FOR>>>THATS JUST FIN STUPID@!!@@! OD GREEN PAINT ANF PRIMER ALL OVER THE FIN GARAGE COOLANT SPILLING OUT OF MY NON TIGHTENED FIN HOSE CORN HOLE GREASE A DRIBBLIN WTF  Ok back to what I was saying, and I mean it very sincerely. I really am thankful for you all. We have a lot of fun, and I appreciate all of your input always. I have really been blessed with great friends here. I need to go have a Beer now, it is National Beer Day after all!  |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 19:54:22 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Have you been using the starter button or have you tried doing a direct battery jump? I recall that you had the cheapo starter button hooked up and with all of the engine cranking/attempts you've been doing since you hooked it up a couple of weeks ago, it might have burned the switch. Agreed! Also, I only mention this because I know how many coats of paint you use...and your reluctance to scrape it off to make a good ground, but you do have bare clean metal on the face of the starter...and the rear engine plate...right? How about the engine plate to engine block? Just because you have big fancy battery cables, doesn't mean you have a good ground to the starter. Everybody all of sudden is a comedian...  The cheepo starter button was replaced with my original rebuilt with the help of Mark the wizard. Thanks Mark! I had this thing running until my BS rebuild failed. The ground connections to the block and the face are completely clean SHINY AND TIGHT! all of them. Now the engine plate to the block...that might be something interesting. If you mean the bolt holes for the ground strap then yes. They are total clean. If you mean where the plate attaches to the engine...well  |
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Post by Mr. Wizzard on Apr 7, 2015 20:17:20 GMT -5
Agreed! Also, I only mention this because I know how many coats of paint you use...and your reluctance to scrape it off to make a good ground, but you do have bare clean metal on the face of the starter...and the rear engine plate...right? How about the engine plate to engine block? Just because you have big fancy battery cables, doesn't mean you have a good ground to the starter. Everybody all of sudden is a comedian... The cheepo starter button was replaced with my original rebuilt with the help of Mark the wizard. Thanks Mark! I had this thing running until my BS rebuild failed. The ground connections to the block and the face are completely clean SHINY AND TIGHT! all of them. Now the engine plate to the block...that might be something interesting. If you mean the bolt holes for the ground strap then yes. They are total clean. If you mean where the plate attaches to the engine...well No worries, I just re-cleaned my switch when I took it apart for the comparison pics hahaha. I was surprised I didn't get a beer can thrown at me for the hand crank joke. lol....there's a gasket that goes between the block face and the mount plate so I would imagine that doesn't make a difference. Still wondering if your field coils got swapped for 12V at some point in time. |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 20:30:34 GMT -5
Starter gasket? No shizz
You really did help me a bunch with my original switch.
Why in hell do folks think I throw beer cans?
Must be that moose guy talking smack !
I don't even drink beer.....
How would you tell 12 v plates?
You might be in to something as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 20:41:27 GMT -5
Hang on a second, guys. I don't think the coils were swapped out...the old electrician tested it for HG. It spun like a mutha, right? He tested it on 6 volts, right?
Also, HG said he could pull the plugs and with zero compression, the starter spins the engine wonderfully. Puts the plugs back in and it reverts back to lame-o starter.
So what's the differences between the two scenarios? Gotta be the compression and timing, doesn't it? Could the valves need adjusting? I seriously remember on my last rebuild that I had to really adjust the distributor and then I saw a major change in the spin rate.
Also, HG...at what point did you realize your distributor did nit mesh correctly with your oil pump: before or after you got the engine to puff?
Finally, you did get the engine to puff on the shitty starter. However, it really didn't run for any length of time to determine how good your timing was.
This isn't so much my solution to the problem, but rather my thoughts towards locating the solution. Maybe some of the better equipped and experienced minds can solve it.
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Post by Mr. Wizzard on Apr 7, 2015 20:51:44 GMT -5
I was talking about the gasket between the block and the engine mounting plate. No starter gasket to my knowledge. It was bench tested on 6V, but I've seen 12V starters spin like crazy on a 6V battery but the second they get under the load of the ring gear on the flywheel, they virtually stop.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 20:53:59 GMT -5
Hang on a second, guys. I don't think the coils were swapped out...the old electrician tested it for HG. It spun like a mutha, right? He tested it on 6 volts, right? Also, HG said he could pull the plugs and with zero compression, the starter spins the engine wonderfully. Puts the plugs back in and it reverts back to lame-o starter. So what's the differences between the two scenarios? Gotta be the compression and timing, doesn't it? Could the valves need adjusting? I seriously remember on my last rebuild that I had to really adjust the distributor and then I saw a major change in the spin rate. Also, HG...at what point did you realize your distributor did nit mesh correctly with your oil pump: before or after you got the engine to puff? Finally, you did get the engine to puff on the shitty starter. However, it really didn't run for any length of time to determine how good your timing was. This isn't so much my solution to the problem, but rather my thoughts towards locating the solution. Maybe some of the better equipped and experienced minds can solve it. Mooosey my SPF, be a sport and remove your starter, drive to MP and bolt it on the overpainted chassis and fire the damn thing up............................. PLEASE for all of us  if not  Lee  |
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Post by athawk11 on Apr 7, 2015 21:00:37 GMT -5
The Moose makes some good points. I still think, under very little load,(plugs out) a starter with a poor ground will spin much stronger. A fresh rebuild is going to be more difficult on any starter. Everything is still super tight. The engine needs to runs for 5 or 10 minutes to get the oil moving through the bearings,and on to the cylinder walls. 2 or 3 little 20 second bursts aren't going to cut it. Wizard, I was talking about the rear plate that the starter mounts to. Chances are the ground is okay between this plate and the engine, but it’s another area to consider. Because of the importance of good grounds, I've added additional ground cables to a couple of my Willys Jeeps. From frame to engine…just below the starter. I never have issues with slow starters.   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 18:38:44 GMT -5
I watched the video of the chassis drive. I'm assuming you've got the starter ship shape now?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 18:42:31 GMT -5
Do tell!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 19:26:12 GMT -5
What is the reason/solution. We are all dieing. We know you drove it, but--------------- what got fixed and how?
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 8, 2015 19:43:39 GMT -5
What is the reason/solution. We are all dieing. We know you drove it, but--------------- what got fixed and how? A phone conversation with Sir Gary!  You know the professor. I have a post...Be patient..  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 22:34:55 GMT -5
I have a hell of a good question!, A while back I sent you a crankshaft nut ,,,,, And a Handcrank crankshaft nut, nun the less, so why did you not hand crank the engine to life Lee |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 22:35:50 GMT -5
I have a hell of a good question!, A while back I sent you a crankshaft nut ,,,,, And a Handcrank crankshaft nut, nun the less, so why did you not hand crank the engine to life Lee |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 5:47:52 GMT -5
Lee, he was already cranky.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 6:40:32 GMT -5
Oh my gosh...has he ever been this cranky as he was during the last 7 days?! Haines ----->  Lol Tim, I've got an additional grounding strap on the rear tab of my starter, like you. I bet he slapped paint all over his starter and nullified the grounds, he's just not coming clean. Why isn't the professor singing like a canary right now?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 7:21:16 GMT -5
Oh my gosh...has he ever been this cranky as he was during the last 7 days?! Haines -----> Lol Tim, I've got an additional grounding strap on the rear tab of my starter, like you. I bet he slapped paint all over his starter and nullified the grounds, he's just not coming clean. Why isn't the professor singing like a canary right now? Singing like a canary?! Hmmm...... I tried.... But nobody east of the Mississsippi would answer their phones!!!!! 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 9:14:55 GMT -5
Oh my gosh...has he ever been this cranky as he was during the last 7 days?! Haines -----> Lol Tim, I've got an additional grounding strap on the rear tab of my starter, like you. I bet he slapped paint all over his starter and nullified the grounds, he's just not coming clean. Why isn't the professor singing like a canary right now? Singing like a canary?! Hmmm...... I tried.... But nobody east of the Mississsippi would answer their phones!!!!! Hahaha...I saw the missed call...but no message! I figured it was either a butt dial or you meant to call the doofus east of the next river over. Lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 9:18:38 GMT -5
You never called me. Now I'm sad. It's all your fault.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 9:19:52 GMT -5
Singing like a canary?! Hmmm...... I tried.... But nobody east of the Mississsippi would answer their phones!!!!! Hahaha...I saw the missed call...but no message! I figured it was either a butt dial or you meant to call the doofus east of the next river over. Lol. I tried, he didn't answer, so I called the next option...lol! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 21:47:44 GMT -5
You never called me. Now I'm sad. It's all your fault. I don't have your number.... Or I probably would've!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 3:35:44 GMT -5
It's listed on my site. But that's OK. I see how you are. SNIFF!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 5:31:04 GMT -5
Hahaha...I saw the missed call...but no message! I figured it was either a butt dial or you meant to call the doofus east of the next river over. Lol. I tried, he didn't answer, so I called the next option...lol! I'm a "number two" !!! Lol |
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