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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 6, 2015 19:01:15 GMT -5
I am at my wits end... Sir Eric sent me his good used armature, I got it today. Thank you Eric! I cleaned it all up, and the commentator is far better than the one I have. I put the whole thing back together and as I tighten the end cap the Fing thing binds up! So I call The professor. He tells me to check the bearing that should be seated into the bottom of the cap. I do this. The Fing thing still binds...I am getting ready to throw this Fing thing through a window! What am I missing? And when I say binds I mean you cant turn the Bastage !!!  |
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Post by athawk11 on Apr 6, 2015 19:54:09 GMT -5
Does it turn in the back cap before you tighten it all down?
There is a steel plate that sits on the armature just in back of the Bendix. Did you put this on in the correct orientation?
Tim
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Post by athawk11 on Apr 6, 2015 19:56:46 GMT -5
Think of it as a bowl of cereal. If it has cereal in it, the cereal is suppose to be toward the Bendix.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 20:18:04 GMT -5
I had one that did that once. I had to change the two bushings out. They provided just enough slop that the sides of the armature would wobble into the sides of the plates that hold the coils. Secondly, those same plates had some funk on them that had built up over the years. It was too thick for compressed air to blow off. I used a fine sandpaper.
Also...when your automotive electrician in Charleston had the starter, did he loosen the big screws in the housings? I had a generator that binded. The screws had to be tightened a fraction of a turn more to give it clearance to spin.
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Post by zooke581 on Apr 6, 2015 20:52:26 GMT -5
It's probably that blasted "commentator", I suspect it told you to do something wrong.  |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 6, 2015 21:16:50 GMT -5
Watch this!!!
This thing is pissing me off Royally!!!
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 6, 2015 21:20:07 GMT -5
It's probably that blasted "commentator", I suspect it told you to do something wrong. R ES O E CT find out what that means to me... R E OCPCT!!! Mother Fer .... You know how to spell it!!! |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 6, 2015 21:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by zooke581 on Apr 6, 2015 21:53:42 GMT -5
As was suggested on FB I would suspect a bent end plate. Turns until you tighten it down.
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Post by athawk11 on Apr 6, 2015 21:56:42 GMT -5
That bearing looks tight to me. Air pressure lock. Dab some lithium grease on it.
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Post by athawk11 on Apr 6, 2015 21:58:00 GMT -5
Is there rock hard grease in the end of the cap?
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 9:47:45 GMT -5
After Fing with this beautiful piece of machinery!
Until 12:30, I am sitting in the electric shop...
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Post by zooke581 on Apr 7, 2015 11:25:31 GMT -5
And... Did they have to scuff it up some because you polished it too much?  |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 16:24:26 GMT -5
Turns out the fiber thrush washer and steel thrush washer were put in the wrong place.
They go on the back of the armature. Fiber up against the winding then the steel.
Man had it back working like s champ in 5 minutes!
However........
I reinstalled, had my battery checked its 100%
I checked my grounds and added a temp ground to rule out bad battery grounding.
I crack the engine.. Woo woo wooooooo nuthin!
Then I pulled all the plugs and spun it.
Starter engages, and motor spins fast. Plugs back in...
Woo woooo wo stops!
Any ideas?
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 16:25:46 GMT -5
I have not changed a thing other than the starter out since it fired three times as in the video.
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Post by zooke581 on Apr 7, 2015 16:52:21 GMT -5
Old battery? Not new? Even checked out I still suspect the old battery.
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 17:11:53 GMT -5
Old battery? Not new? Even checked out I still suspect the old battery. Battery is new Exide . I had it tested just to be sure. |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 17:12:54 GMT -5
Just checked the timing .
It's correct !
I tried retarding it as well.
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Post by Mr. Wizzard on Apr 7, 2015 17:19:53 GMT -5
Get a hand crank rod?  I wonder if the coils have been swapped for 12V coils.....thinking out loud. Mark |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 17:24:07 GMT -5
WOOO_WOOO_WOOO and the starter stops? Or no fire?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 17:37:28 GMT -5
Get a hand crank rod? I wonder if the coils have been swapped for 12V coils.....thinking out loud. Mark Coil is was marked 6v, but I've noticed Standard is made in Red China now... |
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Post by Mr. Wizzard on Apr 7, 2015 17:39:55 GMT -5
Get a hand crank rod? I wonder if the coils have been swapped for 12V coils.....thinking out loud. Mark Coil is was marked 6v, but I've noticed Standard is made in Red China now... I meant the starter field coils. I read what HG said as the starter is stopping under engine compression compression. I may have interpreted it wrong, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 18:18:08 GMT -5
The way I initially start mine: Idle screw out 1 1/8 turn. Throttle stop screw backed off until it is totally closed on the butterfly. Then one turn open. With # 1 coming up on compression, stop at 5 degrees BTDC. Pop cap off the dissy and rotate the dissy watching your points. Assuming you have them gapped to .020. Turn it into the lobe on the distributor cam until you just see the gap begin to open. Lock it slightly down right there. With the carb full of gas, close the choke and try it. When it lights off, open up the chke and keep it running. Adjust the throttle stop until it will stay running. Aim for about 600 RPM's and slowly fine tune the idle mixture, and strobe the timing. Keep adjusting things at a idle of about 600 RPM's If you advance the dissy, the speed will pick up too much and you have to go back and throttle it down, or vise versa if you retard the timing. When timing, and fuel adjustments settle down to a nice 600 RPM's, you are there. Make sure your wires are 1342 in the direction of dissy rotation. You can assist the starter with a Jumper cable long enough to get it spun over using a 12 volt battery. Do not leave it hooked up. Just start with it. Can you turn your engine over by hand? Or is it too tight to do this? Oil
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2015 18:19:07 GMT -5
WOOO_WOOO_WOOO and the starter stops? Or no fire? Turns way to sloooowwe Sir Gary called me...we try something else tomorrow. |
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Post by Mr. Wizzard on Apr 7, 2015 18:34:51 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Have you been using the starter button or have you tried doing a direct battery jump? I recall that you had the cheapo starter button hooked up and with all of the engine cranking/attempts you've been doing since you hooked it up a couple of weeks ago, it might have burned the switch.
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