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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 10, 2016 19:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 10, 2016 19:59:23 GMT -5
Looks like you need a thnead... That's Doctor Suess....
You hands are Definitely those of a Willys guy...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 20:18:57 GMT -5
Danm Ryan! Are threads worn off the bell housing bolts yet?   |
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 10, 2016 20:23:08 GMT -5
Looks like you need a thnead... That's Doctor Suess.... You hands are Definitely those of a Willys guy...  Not bad for a guy who rides a desk most of the week, eh? I just gave 'em an extra good scrubbin' since Monday's a comin' and this is the best I could do. Now you want to stop staring at my hands and help me with this fargin transmission leak?? |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 10, 2016 20:35:17 GMT -5
Not staring at your hands.
Modern gaskets SUCK!
Use the Indian head shellac. I have very little of the bell housing gaskets left. For you, I will send you one. Look at your shafts that hold the cluster gear. There is a thread on this someplace here. RTV and other sealers DO NOT WORK!!!
I have electricity problems, but No leaks yet on my transmission, transfer case.....yet...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 20:38:33 GMT -5
I see the Virgin Mary in the oil leak. NO wait it's Elvis!
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 10, 2016 20:40:13 GMT -5
I have one of the rare Schiller gaskets in my possession. I had intended to use it but didn't notice until it was too late that it actually goes UNDER the bearing retainer and not just around it. So you have actually used them with good success? Indian Head Schellac on both side or ??
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 10, 2016 20:45:19 GMT -5
I have one of the rare Schiller gaskets in my possession. I had intended to use it but didn't notice until it was too late that it actually goes UNDER the bearing retainer and not just around it. So you have actually used them with good success? Indian Head Schellac on both side or ?? Yes!!!! Where is the Fargin Thread!!!! I am looking for it.. Stand By... |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 10, 2016 20:50:10 GMT -5
Found it! Bell housing Disclaimer. I am no Fagin Genius. Just my thoughts... |
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 10, 2016 20:54:26 GMT -5
Found it! Bell housing Disclaimer. I am no Fagin Genius. Just my thoughts... OK. I shall use the Schiller gasket. Anybody else using this method in the field? |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 10, 2016 21:32:34 GMT -5
Found it! Bell housing Disclaimer. I am no Fagin Genius. Just my thoughts... OK. I shall use the Schiller gasket. Anybody else using this method in the field? Only the smart ones... Make sure everything is DEAD CLEAN! That means when you think it's clean, clean again. Acetone and white rags. I am no longer selling these gaskets, or anything else. I hope it works for you. |
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Post by jeffwho on Apr 11, 2016 4:33:56 GMT -5
If you're not selling them, tell us how you made them. I'm at that point of thinking about potentially assembling parts to eventually reassemble mine
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 4:51:04 GMT -5
If you're not selling them, tell us how you made them. I'm at that point of thinking about potentially assembling parts to eventually reassemble mine Please, Sir? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 6:52:18 GMT -5
Hard to tell where it came from, but a couple of things: Your starter bushing sure looks bad, and I'm wondering if it came out the extension and not the gasket. Was it all over the clutch? I've read where the transfercase and transmission are paired. Some had drain back holes that need to match and others didn't. Rear transmission gasket matches these drain back holes? If it isn't draining back, and overfilling the tranny while running, it's going to force it out the extension. The felt did not look all chewed up under the extension. Drain back hole for the extension looked open and good. So, to me it looks like the tranny got pumped up too full. Strange how the transfercase will do that, but it does. Especially bad in a WW2 T84. Your hands will crack and bleed next. I've resorted to chemical gloves now. I know I'm a sissy, but it hurts when your finger split. Then out comes the super glue. Hey I drifted on this!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 8:20:59 GMT -5
As John said hard to see where it came from but looks to me that the shaft is wet as well as the release bearing, as in seeping passed the felt. A SKF sealed bearing may help and get you to a seeping rather than dripping.
Just for reference I originally chased this problem with mine. I tried running a running a bit more felt in the retainer, no help. I then went to sealed bearing with the rear seal pulled (open to the tranny) and the oil drain hole open, slowed it down but still dripped. I then put the seal back on the bearing and plugged the drain back hole. It now just weeps.
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 11, 2016 10:00:56 GMT -5
Oilly - I think the starter bushing is okay but I have just ordered a replacement anyways. As for the tranny being too full: That's one of the first things I checked when I saw it leaking. I was hoping I had just overfilled the tranny and it would eventually stop leaking (yeah right....). Not only was it not overfilled it was actually low. I suppose there is a chance it did drain back into the TC once I shut if off but I think it's unlikely to have happened so quickly.
There was no fluid on the clutch but it was all over the inside of the bellhousing, top and bottom. I can't remember now if the shaft was wet. I still haven't cleaned anything so I'll take another look at the shaft and the inside of the bearing retainer when I get home.
Bretto - Glad you chimed in as I know you went through hell with yours a couple years back. Do you have the part number for the sealed bearing by chance? Not sure I'm going to go that route yet but I might.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 10:39:44 GMT -5
The starter bellhousing bushing is a fairly common size. I wish I could remember it. I picked one up at Lowes last year and then trimmed it to the correct length. Just in case you are antsy and want to fix something.
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 11, 2016 11:54:54 GMT -5
The starter bellhousing bushing is a fairly common size. I wish I could remember it. I picked one up at Lowes last year and then trimmed it to the correct length. Just in case you are antsy and want to fix something. I was wondering that so thanks for the tip. I went ahead and ordered one from a vendor along with some other junk too so I should be all set. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 12:08:31 GMT -5
I went ahead and ordered one from a vendor along with some other junk too so I should be all set.
OMG you order direct from Omix-Ada??
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 11, 2016 12:56:09 GMT -5
Pretty much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 13:50:19 GMT -5
Looked again at the photos. Looks to me like the gasket did it's job. The oil slinger tray screws look dry also. Must be out the nose. How is your pilot bushing in the flywheel?. The bearing and main drive gear have the tin cover on inside the tranny? Felt fits the inside diameter of the input well?. Vent on top of transfercase is open and clear? Last: are you sure Moosey or Haines has not been sneaking over a screwing with your oil level and then pouring a puddle under the Jeep when you aren't looking?  |
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 11, 2016 15:22:44 GMT -5
Oilly - Everything you said (especially about Moose and HG's shenanigans) makes sense to me except for the part about the pilot bushing. No doubt it is important but how would it cause a leak? Without one or with a damaged one would the shaft wiggle around that much so as to allow fluid to pass between it and the bearing retainer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 15:44:56 GMT -5
SKF 6208 2RSNRJEM
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 16:34:29 GMT -5
A bad pilot bearing will not only take out the front main bearing and needle bearings, it wobbles on the felt seal in the nose. I would think that would let gear oil past also. You just re-built this unit I think, since you have been working on so many Jeeps, I've lost track which was which. If all is new, it shouldn't be moving too much yet. Is the pilot bearing in good shape? Lots to look at. So, have you figured it out yet? I have absolutely no sealed front bearings in all my T 90's and none leak like that. Rear main seals, now that is a leaker for sure with a rope. Not bad, but does seep and mark it's spot when you stop. I was going to ask if that is what you see, but you confirmed the oil level was way down in the tranny. Probably smells like gear oil too. The way it's thrown around from the throw out bearing, it's coming past the felt seal. That's release bearing for Jeff 2.  |
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 11, 2016 17:42:06 GMT -5
This is the trans I just rebuilt...and the same vehicle with the ring gear saga....during which I played musical pilot bushing between 2 different flywheels. I installed and reinstalled this particular bushing 3 or 4 times. Likely a bad idea.
The ID is fine but the OD was little looser than I liked when fitting into the flywheel. Is my complete lack of patience in waiting to order a new bushing the cause for this current fiasco? Even if a little loose would it really allow enough play for this to happen? I have maybe 60 or 70 miles since the rebuild. Is it possible I could have torched the needle bearings too? Good lord....
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