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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 20:30:01 GMT -5
Here are a few pioneer axes I have for Jeeps and other MV's  Here is the only marking on one of the lot!  Lee  |
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Post by zooke581 on Apr 6, 2014 21:22:45 GMT -5
Nice. If anyone of them needs a home...
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 6, 2014 22:08:18 GMT -5
Captain..could you share measurements on lengths, overall.
Head length, cutting edge.
I believe you have some Interesting axes there.
I have never seen that particular marking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 23:19:55 GMT -5
I will measure them up, I have mounted several on vehicles and have not had a problem with length, is there a standard length ?? Lee |
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 7, 2014 6:39:09 GMT -5
Is there any definitive way to identify the pioneer tools that once belonged on a Willys? I'm always coming across old shovels and axes at auctions and junk shops and often wonder if I'm passing over what could be valuable Jeep accessories. How does one know for sure?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 8:35:02 GMT -5
Ah..great question, Ryan. HG is our resident expert. He has studied under the (late) great John Barton who pioneered (no pun intended) the research in this area several years ago. Hopefully HG will give us some of his secrets. Until then, you can click here: ShovelsAxesStill a bit to be discovered...as with all tools...for the jeeps. |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2014 17:35:25 GMT -5
Ah..great question, Ryan. HG is our resident expert. He has studied under the (late) great John Barton who pioneered (no pun intended) the research in this area several years ago. Hopefully HG will give us some of his secrets. Until then, you can click here: ShovelsAxesStill a bit to be discovered...as with all tools...for the jeeps. Thanks Moose, but I am no expert, just an enthusiast. John Barton was my sensei , yes.... The links you put up are a start. My favorites are True Temper Kelly Works Flint Edge, Collins Legitumis , Mann, and Warren. I have restored and sold over a hundred axes, and shovels. The trick is modern handles are not correct. I have originals that I pattern my replacements after. I enjoy the axes and shovels as much as I do the Jeeps.. Sir Ryan, I will be bold as to say the axe shovel thing is a military deal. No Willys Civilians had them as accessories. Early CJ2As had the indents on the tub however Captain, the reason I ask about the lengths is that there are some short handled axes for the M38, and M38A1. You head style is correct. Its a Dayton Style Head. 4 pounds. Square back gives it away. Specs on Sir( Most Honorary Title) Bartons Threads are impeccable. WW2 axes. I learned all I know from him, and another sage, that I will not reveal the source....Or he will Kill me....At least that is what I was told |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2014 17:46:02 GMT -5
Here are some that I have done   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 17:50:02 GMT -5
HEY LEE :: SEND ME THE TRACKING NUMBERS SO THOSE AXES DONT GET LOST IN THE MAIL..THANKS AGAIN BROTHER !!! 
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2014 18:03:54 GMT -5
HEY LEE :: SEND ME THE TRACKING NUMBERS SO THOSE AXES DONT GET LOST IN THE MAIL..THANKS AGAIN BROTHER !!!
Ex-Squeeze me...I baking Powder???  Don't make me use the vent Board Now! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 19:01:48 GMT -5
Yup Paul will do the measuring   Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2014 19:59:52 GMT -5
Don't you think I know what's going on here....
Do you think that I just fell off the turnip truck?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 21:28:36 GMT -5
No turnup truck, it's an okra truck where your from  .............. Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 7, 2014 21:43:34 GMT -5
Very funny..Okra..
I guess I will have to axe more questions and tell no lies.
The secret Is in the handle
And I will never tell you guys.
I'll give you a hint
One kept so near
The handle that holds
Like the foot on a deer...
Last name is Schiller you know...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:44:36 GMT -5
Okay, did some measuring 1) Top of head to handle 32" Cutting edge 5" Cutting edge to flat back 7 3/4" Flat face 3 5/8" X 1" I did find a marking on this one, its a crown with what looks like a 68A under it. 2) Length 34 1/2" Head same as above, no marking 3) L-35 1/4" Head same, this one has the CI mark 4) L-35 1/4" Head same 5) 35 1/4" Head the same, this one also has the CI mark All are 4 lb axes and have an 88 stamped on them as well, and looks hand stamped Lee |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 18:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 18, 2014 12:35:35 GMT -5
BUMP WTF is Bump?!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 13:06:49 GMT -5
BUMP WTF is Bump?!!! Well I believe it means I have posted something and I want YOU to look at it!, common on the G503 , you wanted measurements and I have posted them , SOOOOoooooo work your axe magic and tell me what the He!! I have  , and hurry up as I am having a HG no patience fit! , so "Chop chop"  Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 18, 2014 18:26:32 GMT -5
Here is what I think.... You have some M38, M38A1, and maybe even some tank axes there. I have never seen those markings, however, the crown is usually indicative to the Norway/Sweden Area,,,World BEST Axe Head Maker...my opinion. (Solingen Steel is THE BEST! Germany) I focused my attention on the WW2 axes and shovels. There is more to bee seen that can ever been seen, more to do than can ever be done. (That's Lion King) I am going to show you the two that I will never part with... First Up Collins Legitimus     Notice the markings, and the original OD Green Paint Second True Temper Kelly Works Flint Edge    There is a 4 stamped there, look hard  This is what I was telling you in lyric.. SOOOOO...Captain, I do not have the answer to your puzzle...But You have been educated |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:32:59 GMT -5
Ok, all good, so what is the length od a WW2 axe versus an M series ?, Make me smarter Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 19, 2014 15:35:27 GMT -5
WW2 Axes 35 1/2"-36 1/2" what I have seen.
M vehicles shorter handle in the 32" area.
The 88 stamp is interesting.
The curve on your handles looks correct in the pics.
If you look at modern replacement handles, they are too thick and will not fit into the tool indent.
A lot of the US Military axes have US or USA marked on them.
It is my understanding that Other countries that used Jeep type vehicles installed their own pioneer tools.
Lets find out exactly what you have.
It is fun....and educational!
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Post by Haines Garage on May 3, 2014 23:09:09 GMT -5
Captain please post what you have found out on the G503. I respect that site and its members. Also You have reminded me of what I love to do . I am hunting down shovels, and axes again. It is tools in its purest form...think about it.
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Post by Haines Garage on Jul 31, 2014 18:30:51 GMT -5
I am on the prowl for axe heads again. I have acquired a few recently. There are 5 here pictured . I will tell you some names . Kelly Flint Edge 4 lb Plumb 5 lb Plumb 3.2 lb Mann True American 4lb USA marked Plumb 2 lb I will have these restored and for sale in the near future . Here is the game we are going to play tonight! Three questions 1st one to answer all three correctly win this :   A restored WW2 Mann Hatchet Marked 1944 Featured in my Hatchet post Here's the Axe Head Pics  Here are the questions |
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Post by Haines Garage on Jul 31, 2014 18:44:01 GMT -5
1- In order, most to least valuable,
( The 5 Pictured.)
2- How many are WW2 axes
3- Which one is most rare ?
Have at it!!!!
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Post by Haines Garage on Aug 1, 2014 17:59:34 GMT -5
Not even a stab at it?
Wow!
I though the Major would be all over this one!
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, and hurry up as I am having a HG no patience fit! 
