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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 8, 2014 23:13:32 GMT -5
Notice this....There are 10 bolts on the cover of a Dana 41. I am most sure these are originals, A Marked. Two are longer then the rest..  These are for the Brake mounting bracket. I install a new gasket, sealing it both sides with Indian Head Shelac, by Pemetex. I torque the bolts to 25 ft pounds.  Do you see anything interesting on the cover? |
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 8, 2014 23:23:49 GMT -5
Next I install the bearings on the axle shafts. I used a brass drift, and a BFH to install these (Look For It In Tools  )  Repeat both Short and Long Axle Shafts. I pack the bearing cones installed with high temp grease. This can be done, with patience. Force the grease into the rollers with your fingers...Don't cheat...   I insert the axle shafts into place.  I lube the inside of the cup with high temp grease, and coat the outside with Permetex #2...you cant be too careful.  I drive the cup into place with a brass drift, clean any excess sealants or grease off with a rag.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 7:09:23 GMT -5
Sir Haines, did you put a patch of white lithium grease on your ring gear and with some resistance check the pattern? Depth, heel, toe contact? Dial gauge the backlash? They are picky buggers. John
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 9, 2014 22:37:15 GMT -5
Sir John Of The Black Hills! To answer you question, Yes and kind of no. I did check the backlash with a dial indicator, as well as the carrier endplay with feeler gauges. As far as the pinion and ring mesh. I eyeballed the assembly lube and saw how it squished so to say. Remember this...This is how I am doing it. If it works good for me...Great, If it doesn't...Start over. I am putting back what was removed. I am hoping for the best. At the end of both Dana 25 and 41 Threads, I intend to put links up , to sites and people that are far more knowledgeable than I. I am having a problem setting the axle end play. I spoke with Sir Leemeister this evening about this. I am doing some research . I have far too much axle movement, in and out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 23:01:49 GMT -5
remove your shims from the axles to get the end play less. remove all the shims and tighten the rings down you should have 0 end play then add one shim of equal thickness to each side and try again. measure, if still no end play then add another to each side and repeat. when i did my timken truck end play i lucked out and got .005 or something like that, it was well within spec and i was happy after a long night of hitting the stupid thing with my plastic hammer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 23:21:20 GMT -5
How about a photo of Cher using that industrial pallet wrap to tie you up!, that would be funny Lee  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 8:48:44 GMT -5
Shim packs on the end of the axle tube underneath the brake plates. Shims first them the thick ring. A 10 thousands play is OK. You'll hear a slight clunk. John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 10:48:00 GMT -5
GOT TO AGREE WITH OILLEAKER ...LOKED AT MINE I GOT 4 SHIMS ON ONE SIDE THE OTHER SIDE HAS TWO..ALL THE SHIMS OR (SCHMINSTEERS) IF YOU WILL ARE THE THICK ONES NOT THE THIN LIKE PAPER KIND. AND BOTH SIDES DO MOVE IN & OUT A TAD.. IF THAT HELPS YOU OUT SCOTT
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 10, 2014 19:23:42 GMT -5
Watch the Video...Something is not right I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 19:33:22 GMT -5
First, you have to have both sides, shims, ring, and brake plate bolted on to test the end play. Usually the race protrudes a little on both sides. Then you hang the shims on the race, then the thicker ring, and then the brake plate. If you have a huge discrepancy from this, the spacer that is in the center where the two axle ends meet may be worn out. If you have end float with no shims when bolted together, this is all you have left to look at. Verstehen Sie! Mein Her! ( saw your license plate ) John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 20:01:00 GMT -5
Sehr gute Ratgeber hier auf der Haines Garage, was wird das Ergebnis sein, hey ich weiß Sachen, hihi Lee |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 20:03:36 GMT -5
john i don't think you need the brake plate you can do it with just the shims and the big fat ring so you have one less thing to take off when you have to re check shimming.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 23:16:57 GMT -5
OILLEAKER IS CORRECT ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR SHIMMING
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 8:20:33 GMT -5
Luke is also correct, you don't have to put the brake plate on if you don't want to. If the bolts are too long, a few washers will work. I believe the spacer in the center has a elongated hole in the center that the carrier cross pin goes through. The axle ends touch each end of the spacer. Did your rear end have shims to begin with? Start with them sorted evenly to both sides. John
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 11, 2014 17:31:59 GMT -5
 Ich Bin Wirklich EIN dunb Arsch!! I have istalled the bearing cone on the wrong side of the shaft shoulder..... Thanks for the PM Sir Leemeister..... I will take my lumps like a man now......    |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 18:45:00 GMT -5
HG :: SHOULD NOT BE ANY LICKS OF ANY SORTS FROM ANYONE...WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES ..GLAD LEE ( AM I ALLOWED TO CALL HIM THAT OR IS IT SIR LEE ? ) CAUGHT AN
EASY MISTAKE...HOPE IT WORKS OUT NOW FOR YOU,..YOU OUGHT TO BE RIDING A RUNNING ROLLING CHASSIC BEFORE TOO LONG..
BY THE WAY NICE THREAD & BUILD BY YOURSELF & # 1 SON...DOESNT GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT.. MY  OFF TO YOU AND YOUR BOY !!
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 11, 2014 20:16:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the support Hillbillis...Much Appreciated...
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 11, 2014 20:34:57 GMT -5
And now it is time to introduce a new Character....
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 11, 2014 20:37:47 GMT -5
Episode 1...Restitution
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 21:16:49 GMT -5
scott, when you do reverse your bearing and such leave the back cover off until the entire thing is done trust me it is much better to have it off than take it off put it on you will have a bunch of things to check in there before it is all over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 21:48:39 GMT -5
We are all human, Lord knows I have made many, in this case no harm done, and lessons learned for us all. I have seen this before, and a very nice M-38 fell into my hands very cheap because of it, a different story for a different time . Now, would the axel work like that?. yes, but if Haines had went ahead and put it together another problem would have come up as he installed the brake drum, it would have stuck out, exposing the brake shoes, was a mistake made, yes, but a sharp eye noticed a problem , too much end play, all well in the end. Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 11, 2014 22:31:56 GMT -5
Thank you my friends for the supportive words....I appreciate them. Did you watch the videos...  Some of my best work to date, no doubt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 6:56:05 GMT -5
Bummer...I was just starting to like that new character! Throw a little bit of kitty litter on the Haines Garage floor to soak up the blood! Bo! PS...glad you guys fixed it...I guess Lee gets to hang out for awhile longer! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 7:50:16 GMT -5
I think visiting Haines could now be a dangerous thing. What happens in the garage, stays in the garage. You may never leave that garage. Where would you like your axle sir!  John |
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Post by Ryan_M on Jan 12, 2014 8:49:26 GMT -5
I'd say I'm sorry you installed the bearings incorrectly but without that there would be no "Restitution" video. Hilarious. If we get one of those every time you make a mistake, well, I'm rooting for you to continue screwing up. All I get when I make a mistake is usually some sort of bloody knuckles and a flying tool or two.
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