Starter Grinding

[Ryan_M]

The seller has been made aware (the name is already in this thread). I'd still like to see this ring matched up next to another straight cut ring gear before anyone shows up at his door with torches and shovels. Glad to see I have such an eager back-up crew though....

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The Vendor’s name need not be mentioned as long as the Manufacturer is known. Vendors may get the idea all by themselves that they are selling crap. They certainly don’t want people avoiding them because of poor manufacturing/QC processes at the factories. It’s the manufacturers who are ultimately responsible. Go after them.

[Haines Garage]

Scout
I kind of agree with what you say.
But here's my take.
I am a contractor.
If I let's say have a paint job to do, and as the contractor provide materials for the job
I go to buy paint, get the cheapest stuff I can find, and then tell my customer they are getting top notch quality.
Then I am 100% dishonest and wrong.
This is the case here

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Which of the better known vendors here in the US actually use the products they sell? Calling out the manufacturer gives the vendor(s) the opportunity to change suppliers while not actually calling the vendor(s) out. If they tried hard enough perhaps a consortium of vendors here in the USA could see to a long dormant factory being re-opened to produce that which we desperately need. Nudge, nudge…

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I'll add another scenario!........ May well have been a NOS ring... What if a reputable manufacturer back in the early 50's had made up a lot of 1000 parts for WO, conditions were 200 of the lot were out of spec, and threw in the scrap box........ Then the outfit that hauls the scrap away from the manufacturer (Goldy Schiller for example) takes the load back to the yard and has his team of re-handlers sort the load, the foreman tells Goldy that there was 200 NOS Jeep ring gears in the load from BoBo manufacturing and he should call his brother in laws second cousins neighbors divorced husbands nephew who is a buyer for Trumpe auto supply in Chicago, and turn a profit, as they are new manufactured!........ Calls are made, the lot is sold and goes into stock......... Months pass by and the first 20 rings sold are returned as defective, so again the lot of 200 is set in the back corner of the warehouse in a crate to be long forgotten......... 30 years later the warehouse is slated for raising as a new ACORN section 8 apartment building is going up in that spot!....... Anyhow they have an auction to sell off all these old auto parts and every eBay seller in northern h America shows up!........... You know the rest of the story!.




I'm not done yet.

So, is th seller guilty of selling defective parts knowingly, or un knowingly. ?......

The scenario I depicted above has happened many many times over the years, no offense to anyone or anybody.

[Deleted]

Interesting scenario Cap'n. But as it plays out Ryan may have bought back his own faulty parts. Turns out that as a savvy parts wheeler-dealer R. Murdock Investments (RMI) was fronting the seller to Trumpe Auto for a slice of the pie. Cue up Twilite Zone theme.

[Haines Garage]

Here's the scenario .
Scotty The Jeep Guy has a bunch of stuff he had manufactured in Bingo Bongo.
Cheap labor and cheap materials.
He then packages the parts in bags and calls it USA made NOS!
Heck yeah...
Then he sells to people saying it is NOS when he knows damn well it's POS!!!!
That's what I am talking about!

[Haines Garage]

And does so over and over and over ....

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Apr 3, 2016 11:14:53 GMT -5 Haines Garage said:

And does so over and over and over ....

Agreed, but what I am sayin, not all NOS is always right either, there have been shady parts deals for years on all levels!

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I like your scenario, Lee. I'm really interested in the section 8 housing apartments. I have to wonder if Murdock and BoBo are investors in that project and are soon to be slumlords.

[Ryan_M]

I'm buying up a block of low income housing here so I can cram it to the rafters full of cheap illegal Chinese laborers. I'm bringing manufacturing back to the US!

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Good idea Ryan. We can melt down some MD Juan stuff. I've got some dandy Interco Tires made in India to sell also. we'll call Larson enterprises.

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Apr 3, 2016 13:21:18 GMT -5 Ryan_M said:

I'm buying up a block of low income housing here so I can cram it to the rafters full of cheap illegal Chinese laborers. I'm bringing manufacturing back to the US!

Sounds like a sound investment, perhaps I can add some funds as well!, I'll plant some rice this spring, 10 acres should feed the import Chi-Coms for a couple years and cover wages at one bowl a day, don't want to spoil them!

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I'm in for a piece of the action!

[Ryan_M]

The seller first offered to swap my ring gear for another one. I'd think if he knew they were defective he would have offered a refund instead of potentially causing more problems for himself later. I told him it wasn't worth the risk of pulling the engine to take a chance on another one of those gears. He agreed and only then offered a full refund. I'm inclined to believe there was nothing dishonest here. I know others have had issues with this seller but I'm still inclined to take him at his word based on the discussions he and I have had over this. If you refuse to deal with him for other reasons you are entitled to do that but please do not boycott his business over this particular incident.

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A gentleman's honest conclusion, thx Ryan. We can start tearing down the gallows now.