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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 7:33:49 GMT -5
Now I'm wondering about the starter ring. Possible Chi Com? Not made to spec and is wrecking your bendix. I get red hot mad they sell this junk and just keep on doing it. I've had very good luck with Mr. DeBella when it comes to tranny parts and starter rings. Anything omix ada and crown have me on the run. Never buy anything made in India. MD Juan is also not a perfect item. Sometimes, that's all you can get. If you change flywheels, don't forget to watch the main two large dowels. Some are tapered shank while others are straight shank. I feel for you bud. Oilly
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Post by Ryan_M on Mar 31, 2016 15:04:34 GMT -5
Per the seller these are US made and were in storage for many years prior to him acquiring them in the 1990's. Supposedly he has sold/used several and has had no issues. Who knows...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 15:22:53 GMT -5
All the diagnostic tricks you've done, swapping starters etc, it all points to the ring gear. I hear what the seller told you but if this particular ring was not true, out of spec, out of round any number of things it will give you grief. From 1st post the the change in your equation is that gear.
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 31, 2016 17:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 18:59:42 GMT -5
Classic country from the HG, usually wrinkled park!.... Nice change.  |
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Post by Ryan_M on Mar 31, 2016 20:03:20 GMT -5
Sometimes one just needs to grab the bull by the horns. I'm having the old flywheel resurfaced tomorrow and we'll try that one.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 20:11:07 GMT -5
Whoa! Good grief!! I'll be the first to say...it was fun the other day in Jeff's garage doing that. But it wasn't my jeep and I was with buddies. If I had to walk out and do that right now...id be in such a pissed off foul mood. Super kudos to you, Ryan. You are definitely a MAINiac.
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Post by Ryan_M on Mar 31, 2016 20:13:33 GMT -5
Whoa! Good grief!! I'll be the first to say...it was fun the other day in Jeff's garage doing that. But it wasn't my jeep and I was with buddies. If I had to walk out and do that right now...id be in such a pissed off foul mood. Super kudos to you, Ryan. You are definitely a MAINiac. If nothing else now I can grease my throwout bearing  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 20:25:33 GMT -5
. No BS here, Ryan is kicking some serious ass.  Attachments:
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 31, 2016 20:33:19 GMT -5
Whoa! Good grief!! I'll be the first to say...it was fun the other day in Jeff's garage doing that. But it wasn't my jeep and I was with buddies. If I had to walk out and do that right now...id be in such a pissed off foul mood. Super kudos to you, Ryan. You are definitely a MAINiac. If nothing else now I can grease my throwout bearing OMG!!! Too Funny!!! I am going to grease some shit too... Just for the hell of it!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 21:14:51 GMT -5
Ryan, before you remove the flywheel, measure from the rear face of the block to the ring gear, then after replacing the flywheel do the same..... Just curious if the offset may be slightly different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 21:51:20 GMT -5
Classic country from the HG, usually wrinkled park!.... Nice change. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 6:42:55 GMT -5
Lay the old/new flywheel over each other and compare things. It all adds up starter ring to me. Kick some Jeep butt while your at it. Oilly
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Post by jeffwho on Apr 1, 2016 7:22:25 GMT -5
Yeesh, this is all hauntingly familiar, least the photo of a motorless jeep. Hope you get her worked out Ryan - sounds like the guys have you on the right path
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 8:59:28 GMT -5
Ryan the Rhino...I was just admiring your last picture again and I noticed something: I think you and I utilize the same uber long tow strap method to launch our engines skyward with the hoist!
Moe...Curly...look familiar?
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 1, 2016 10:22:22 GMT -5
Old flywheel has been resurfaced. Should I be concerned about this chunk missing?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 13:38:54 GMT -5
Doesn't look cracked and is out of the clutch area. Probably been running like that for many moons. In a old Willys it shouldn't hurt anything. I got to know soon if that stops the noise anyway. Oilly
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 1, 2016 13:48:41 GMT -5
OK thanks Oilly. I figured it would be ok just wasn't quite sure how much it took to cause flywheel balance problems. Part of me want to switch just the ring gears to satisfy my curiosity whether it is indeed a problem with the new ring gear or the MB flywheel. However, given the likelihood of me breaking something in the process I will swap the flywheels as a unit. I will change the bushing though.
Updates once I'm done. I plan to tackle this right after work so with a little luck I'll be testing it tonight.
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Post by Ryan_M on Apr 2, 2016 8:29:41 GMT -5
The motor is back in. The 3A flywheel I just had resurfaced turned out to have too many flaws (the worst of which was a stripped out clutch assembly screw hole that could not be retapped...). I wish I had inspected it closer before paying to have it resurfaced. Anyways, I took the old 3A ring gear and installed it onto the MB flywheel. Reinstalled everything. No more starter grinding. Hooray. The culprit obviously was the new ring gear. I'm still not sure if it is due to a poorly manufactured ring gear or something else. The straight cut teeth on the new gear are larger in almost every way than the beveled teeth of the old gear but this really isn't a fair comparison. The gray 3A has a straight cut ring gear and I'd like to match the new one up to it to see how it compares. I'm not so curious that I'm going to pull another motor to find out though!   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 9:39:35 GMT -5
That is a HUGE difference. What a PITA to figure it out.
I wonder what the new flywheel goes to?
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 2, 2016 10:28:32 GMT -5
That is a HUGE difference. What a PITA to figure it out. I wonder what the new flywheel goes to? Back to the seller.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 14:03:52 GMT -5
First thought that entered my head is it sure is going to hurt that seller when you "give" it to him. Especially since you had to pull a engine twice and god knows how many times, the starters. Tell him he owes you a new bendix also. John
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 16:08:15 GMT -5
Perhaps if a fellow spent some time with a die grinder and a pointed carbide burr you could have beveled it a little, not fun either.
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 2, 2016 18:25:54 GMT -5
First thought that entered my head is it sure is going to hurt that seller when you "give" it to him. Especially since you had to pull a engine twice and god knows how many times, the starters. Tell him he owes you a new bendix also. John Here is an interesting phenomenon. There are sellers out there that don't represent what they are selling correctly. Actually......misrepresent what they are selling. When called to the Mat, you as the buyer get told to go bother someone else and get banned or blocked from their site or eBay account. Which is absolutely fine with me. I will not ever purchase from that vendor again. Here what pissses me off. I am the bad guy for saying something or calling a spade a spade. That is W R O N G!!!! I have been skunked on at least $1500.00 worth of junk, from more than one vendor, over the course of my build. And if that's the case with just me, what is the total of robbed consumers out there. I want you all to know something as well. The Vendors watch what goes on in this site. TRUST ME!!! More than one time, things talked about here have surfaced on phone conversations. They can't fool us anymore, but the others that look here for info need to know what's what. Here's the kicker.... You can't name names, or say who the bad guys are, because you will get sued.... Fargin Iceholes....... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 6:21:54 GMT -5
OK, Ryan, PM us with who sold that wrong ring. Let us know if he helped you out, or shafted you. Haines what if Ryan simply said: I wouldn't recommend buying from the guy in ( Location). This reminds me of the fact that you can't ask if the prospective employee if he has a health or physical condition that will not allow him to do the job he is applying for. Then you hire him and he heads straight for workman's comp. I've had this happen to me. It pays to listen to the applicant and then check him out with previous employers one on one. A trial 6 month period helps too. If the seller is a honest straight up guy, then he will stand behind it. Those pictures of how wrong it is are absolute proof. They need to be taken off the market. Oilly
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