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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 15, 2016 8:13:18 GMT -5
If you watched the video of me running the bridge, you will see how I spoke of the engine simply stopping.
After the tow home I first checked the voltage of the battery. 6.24 volts.
I then tried to start the Jeep.
Fired right up.
I have spoke with Lee and Bo about this issue.
I thought perhaps we could discuss ideas about why this would happen.
I was thinking voltage regulator, but I don't believe that's it.
Thoughts?
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Post by jeffwho on Mar 15, 2016 8:21:09 GMT -5
I'd have easily agreed with your first assessment - same happened to mine, last time at the Summerville parade, but I got that fixed and my jeep ran without conking out the battery. So what did Cap and Bo have to say?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 8:23:02 GMT -5
Ignition coil got hot and dropped out. When cool it works again. Gas tank venting? Vapor lock? Electrical power to the ignition system contacts loose? Amp gauge showing a charge? Do you have a petronix system? It will quit when the battery drops to low voltage. Fuel system blockage.  ? |
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 15, 2016 10:40:10 GMT -5
Well that sucks.
I like the Leaker's List above.
If Voltage Regulator issue, you may see evidence of this on the Amp Gauge. Some tips when determining if the charging system and amp gauge are working correctly...
-With the Willys turned off. Turn on the head lamps. Gauge needle should flutter and drop into the negative.
-When first starting the Willys, gauge needle should flutter and drop into the negative. Once the Willys starts and you throttle up to 1000-2000 rpms, the gauge needle should flutter and move into the positive. (Note: Original set up will not charge the battery if you're just idling around 600 rpms. It needs higher RPMS. )
When running for an extended time, eventually the battery will be fully charged, so the amp gauge needle will return to center, or close to center.
While running at night with lights, the gauge needle may hover in the positive a bit while moving. It may drop into the negative when idling...say...at a stop light.
Hope this helps.
Tim
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 10:59:04 GMT -5
You will probably tell me “Yes. It was full.”, But, how much gas in the tank at the time of failure? Also, when you attempted the restart, did you use the primer handle on the fuel pump?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 13:43:41 GMT -5
Spoke with Scott this AM. Besides the Tow truck guy pronouncing Willys correctly, he offered Scott a couple of Jeeps.  Don't you love how things work out? He got home, saw that the battery sitting had 6.7 volts, hit the starter, it fired right up. So, Fuel starvation of some sort or coil cooled off. . Oilly |
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 15, 2016 14:14:25 GMT -5
What Tim Hawk Said...
Yes
What Scout Pilot Said...
Yes And Yes. Tank was full.
I changed out the coil and condenser . Started right up.
Drove 4 miles. No problem.
Also checked the battery leads . 6.24 volts not running 6.44 to 6.52 while running.
Let's try that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 14:25:43 GMT -5
Maybe in all of HGs excitement, he inadvertently turned the jeep off while exciting the bridge and then forgot to flip the key when pressing the foot starter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 14:27:15 GMT -5
My money's on the coil. I'm not sure the procedure but they can be tested with a VOM for readings both cold and hot.
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Post by Ryan_M on Mar 15, 2016 14:49:12 GMT -5
Loose ground wire somewhere? Perhaps you may have been afraid to torque one of the first brass nuts you installed 10 or so years ago?
I have also found that the battery terminals will corrode after a very short time if you leave the cable unhooked at all (which I suspect you may have while it was sitting in your garage?). They may look fine but you need to give them a quick scrape for better contact. My red 3A gave me a couple problems this winter due to exactly that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 15:23:52 GMT -5
I know what it was…The Salt Fog!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 15:30:24 GMT -5
I think Ryan and Scout nailed it: the salt fog wrecking havoc to all of the brass. I guess that's why a good sea captain keeps his crew polishing stuff. Put those Haines kids to work.
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 15, 2016 16:22:56 GMT -5
I know what it was…The Salt Fog! Damned Salt Fog! Salt Rain!!!! Bastages!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 16:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 19:15:44 GMT -5
Nope. you all are wrong. It was the HOA. They don't want a old Jeep in the neighborhood. This is our code to them--------  |
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 15, 2016 19:55:49 GMT -5
Too Funny!!! F Script the HOA!!
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 15, 2016 19:56:57 GMT -5
You have a good memory. Harvey45. I have a feeling he is no longer with us.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 20:40:53 GMT -5
Spoke with Scott this AM. Besides the Tow truck guy pronouncing Willys correctly, he offered Scott a couple of Jeeps. Don't you love how things work out? He got home, saw that the battery sitting had 6.7 volts, hit the starter, it fired right up. So, Fuel starvation of some sort or coil cooled off. . Oilly WhaHaHoe there my SD friend, I talked to him before you, and I get first dibs on the good parts!  Now that's secured, and the fact that Sir Oily and I have the same opinion of ignition coils, I will add to my theory of shutdown......... Having ran the "Ravenel" several times myself (in a Jap sedan) there is a pretty good grade on approach from both directions, things warmed up more than normal, coil shit it's pants, and the excessively tight and fresh as a daisy Go-Devil swelled up a wee bit from excessive thermal expansion of no coolant circulation from the now not running engine, this would explain the not wanting to turn over till cool, and same with the coil........ BTW, got a hot lead on an M-38 tonite.  BTW, not long ago on the 2A page, mr Salt Rain himself posted!, LOL |
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 15, 2016 22:15:15 GMT -5
For this very reason, I carry a spare coil. Never had the original overheat...knock on wood.
Tim
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 22:36:06 GMT -5
Scott, where you using the coil I sent you or a different one???
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 15, 2016 23:11:42 GMT -5
For this very reason, I carry a spare coil. Never had the original overheat...knock on wood. Tim In speaking about this with my only trusted parts dealer... Parks for my Charleston Friends, NAPA SUCKS... That is another subject for a different day. I was told that 1 for 5 on coils and electrical components for vintage vehicles. Can anyone agree. I am starting to believe it!!! Bastages!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 3:47:45 GMT -5
When I buy condensers, I buy three at a time. Never had a bad coil straight from the box.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 4:41:57 GMT -5
Round can coils are pretty robust. Not saying that they don't fail, because they can, but there is usually something else wrong...
Condensers these days seem to fail if you so much as fart too loud, but usually, once they go kaput, they stay kaput.
Just a quick question.... Are you using a vented gas cap?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 5:41:56 GMT -5
Red Willy on the 2A page had a brand new Crappa (6v) fail in Colorado last fall, as others said coils and condensers are Chi- Com el-crappo supreme...... The reason you cannot find a nos or decent used coil or condenser at a swap meet anymore........ FWIW my 2A is very late production, the coil is mounted under the dash with a base mount coil holder in the keyed coil holes, I am assuming this is original to the Jeep, the plus to this is heat escaping the Go-Devil has no effect on the coil, much cooler situation unless my Harrison heater is on Hi. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 6:05:42 GMT -5
E Pay has condensors NOS in the original box. You used to just go out to the junk yard and take one for free. They were junk to them. Not so anymore. They are all gone. I miss the good old days. Looking in the mirror and thinking about this re-inforces the thought---------it's time to go play and Jeep as much as possible. Oilly
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Don't you love how things work out? He got home, saw that the battery sitting had 6.7 volts, hit the starter, it fired right up. So, Fuel starvation of some sort or coil cooled off. . Oilly
