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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 29, 2014 19:25:07 GMT -5
I remember seeing on offset engine bracket for an fhead engine.
I think I even sold one.
My brother is building a CJ3A.
He asked me about the engine mounts being not in line.
Maybe his frame was modded at some point..
Am I nuts, or is there a bracket that has offset mounting points.
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 29, 2014 21:01:50 GMT -5
Evening HG! This is a photo of the official adaptor that was developed to allow a 2A engine to be mounted on a 3A frame, or a 3A engine to be mounted on a 2A frame.  This is a photo of my GPW engine in my 3A. I chose to replace the front engine plate so I could eliminate this adaptor. The 3A engine plate has a forward pointing mount on the driver side so it will line up with the offset frame mounts on a 3A. The 3A needed more room for the vacuum style fuel pumps, thus the change. Tim  |
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Post by Ryan_M on Mar 29, 2014 21:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 29, 2014 21:28:06 GMT -5
So I am not crazy...The engine my brother is installing will be an L134 from a 2a that i found. Thanks for the show. He will be happy tomorrow. However there is a plate correct? I am not up on all the 3a stuff. Are the 3a motor mounts offset then?
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 29, 2014 21:52:48 GMT -5
3A frames have offset engine mounts. The driver side is foward a couple inches. If his frame is a 3A, and if his engine has a front mount plate with the passenger side mount pointing rearward, and the driver side mount pointing forward, he will not need an adapter.
Tim
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 29, 2014 21:58:03 GMT -5
Will said plate work on a 2a L134 engine..? Same cut outs, etc. And he will need to locate a plate, or the adapter? The one I gave him with the engine was the straight CJ2A style.
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 29, 2014 22:03:44 GMT -5
He will need the adapter or a 3A plate. I been getting my front plates from Quadratec. I've needed them for both ODie and Whitey.
I do have the adapter, but I would recommend the front plate. The adapter will eventually allow the engine mount to fail. You can kind of see it in my photo above. The engine mount is crushed on the forward side. This allowed the engine to slope down far enough to allow the fan to make contact with the lower portion of the radiator shroud.
Tim
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 29, 2014 22:10:45 GMT -5
Pics of Mounting plate?
By the way tomorrow I am going to look so Fing smart at work when I see little Bro, and have all the answers!
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 29, 2014 23:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 23:46:31 GMT -5
Haines, I have whatever type of front plate he needs, the one on Tims red engine is common to the 3A and f-head engines, and I have them, also tell him to join this site  , that way we can get some new blood here to poke fun at  . Lee  |
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 30, 2014 7:01:14 GMT -5
Sir Hawk..perfect photo.
Captain..thats good news.
Don't think he will join..He's not really a web forum kind of guy.
I got all the cool DNA in the family!
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 30, 2014 8:17:51 GMT -5
Lee is right. This is an F- head plate. It does require some modifications when using it for a 3A with a L-134 engine. I don't think anyone is making a reproduction of a TRUE 3A plate. Your Bros best bet is to get a true 3A plate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 10:19:12 GMT -5
Lee is right. This is an F- head plate. It does require some modifications when using it for a 3A with a L-134 engine. I don't think anyone is making a reproduction of a TRUE 3A plate. Your Bros best bet is to get a true 3A plate. Interesting Tim, what makes the 3A specific ?, I assumed the 3A/F-Head were the same, drivers side foreward mount ear, Correct ?? Lee HG, I was not a forum type either , look what happened Lee  |
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Post by athawk11 on Mar 30, 2014 14:35:26 GMT -5
Lee, The 'Notch' on the driver side dog ear allows the fuel pump to fit. The 3A fuel pump is shaped differently, or there is a slightly different offset where the fuel pump mounts to the block, because I have had to remove material from the slotted area of the engine plate to get a 3A pump to fit. Also, the generator mount...I have had to cut the tube off the front face of the plate to make the generator pulley line up with the water pump pulley and engine pulley. This may also be that I don't have original generators on my Willys. They are all 12v generators. Maybe it's a generator thing.  |
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 30, 2014 15:30:03 GMT -5
How come nobody told me that I asked about a baraket..
I changed the spelling..
Yes, I can't spell....sue me!!!
LMFOA
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Post by Haines Garage on Mar 30, 2014 15:33:43 GMT -5
Showed Numbnuts the post you guys put up. He was impressed...
Ha Ha!!
My friends are THE BEST!
Went to his garage this morning..he has the right CJ3A bracket.
The 2a one I gave him with the engine, was what confused him.
What needs to be nodded for the 3a to work on an L134
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 16:41:27 GMT -5
Lee, The 'Notch' on the driver side dog ear allows the fuel pump to fit. The 3A fuel pump is shaped differently, or there is a slightly different offset where the fuel pump mounts to the block, because I have had to remove material from the slotted area of the engine plate to get a 3A pump to fit. Also, the generator mount...I have had to cut the tube off the front face of the plate to make the generator pulley line up with the water pump pulley and engine pulley. This may also be that I don't have original generators on my Willys. They are all 12v generators. Maybe it's a generator thing. MILITARY M38 HAS THE SAME INDENTATION ON THE FRONT ENGINE PLATE ALSO |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 20:19:49 GMT -5
Tim, here is a shot of my lawn ornament F-Head cadaber engine,   It has the cutout for the fuel pump as well ? As for your generator issue, I will assume your 12V gen is a Delco, not an Auto-Lite, and that is why you needed to modify the mount. I have installed several Auto-Lite 12V gens on a wide variety of year Jeep engines and have never had an Issue. I will do a little research! Lee |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 19:39:04 GMT -5
So Haines, was knumbnuts needing a front plate ?? Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Apr 4, 2014 9:32:00 GMT -5
So Haines, was knumbnuts needing a front plate ?? Lee No no read back, he has the original offset after all... |
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