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Post by Haines Garage on Nov 24, 2013 22:49:37 GMT -5
In going through my needs for my build, all new Brake Cylinders were on the list. I am not such a big fan of Re-pop parts lately and got to thinking.... Shouldn't do that it HURTS  What about my 'Ole...I didn't said OLD!! ;D ;D Originals? Check this Out  Wagner Lockheed...removed from Grandpas Jeep as I received it.  I pull the end seals to find...A MESS!  The crud that came out was UNBELIEVABLE! I soaked it in PB Blaster, and simply drove out the inner workings with a flat head screw driver    Hone I found in Grandpas Tool box....  I remove the bleeder screw  Pitted in the outside...maybe I shall replace.  Here are the inner working parts ...Spring was broken.  Inside of cylinder, before honing.  A little oil..Yes that is an Eagle Can  I spin the hone with a cordless drill...NOT TOO FAST, Smooth movements in and out.  Here is what I wind up with..there are some small pits, but none that I feel will leek. I don't want to hone it "TOO MUCH"   Cleaned...  Taped off and primed.. Rebuild kits for these Brake Cylinders are inexpensive...I am going to try and rebuild my originals....Lets see where this goes. Anyone else attempted or acomplished this? |
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Post by Haines Garage on Nov 24, 2013 23:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 17:54:43 GMT -5
Well, I am going to tell you what you do not want to hear , any and I mean any pit scratch ect WILL leak, you may not have a leak right away but not far down the road you will, It will drip at first and you will not notice it, the drip will take the paint AND primer off the inside of the rim. I am all for fixing and rebuilding but not for saving money on brakes, your or someone elses life may depend on them, buy four NEW us made ones and you will not have to do it later, And I did not mention the NEW master cyl. as well. Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Nov 25, 2013 18:52:55 GMT -5
Thank you for the response Sir Leemeister..Sounds like you are speaking from experience.
I am not trying to save money. Just want to see if it is possible.
These seem like originals to me. Any way to save them?
I have the brandy new master cylinder. And am purchasing all new brake lines, hoses, and pads
I am hoping to turn this into a complete brake thread.....eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 19:53:13 GMT -5
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Post by athawk11 on Nov 25, 2013 20:20:11 GMT -5
I'm not one to discourage any Willys enthusiast, but I'm going to have to side with Sir Lee on this one. I did exactly what you did. Honed and polished the insides of two rear cylinders, then installed a rebuild kit from NAPA. Thought I had it all figured out. A few Willys trips later, I was repainting the inside of a wheel. I was PISSSSSSSSSSSSed!!!!  Decided then and there I was never going to rebuild a wheel cylinder again!! I guess it's worth a try. Just make sure you have some extra paint left over...just in case.  I have three complete sets of original Lockheed Wagner cylinders. You can have them if you want them. ;D Tim |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 22:11:04 GMT -5
Scott, make double sure, - no, make that TRIPLE SURE that you have ALL the oil cleaned out of that cylinder with brake cleaner or alcohol, then clean it some more! Then throw away the stones off of Grandpa's hone and get a new set, and don't use anything but brake fluid to lubricate the hone from now on. Even a tiny bit of oil in the brake system will contaminate the entire system and destroy all the rubber parts in the system. BW
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Post by Haines Garage on Nov 25, 2013 23:54:59 GMT -5
WOOOW!!! ;D Seems I have hit on an un-talked about issue, Great Responses, and Bruce W you are "The stuff"" Honing with Brake fluid. I would have never thought about that. Here is what I am going to do...Buy NOS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D... I am going to also paint the that one I showed up black, and put it in my finished project collage....someday. Lee that thread you put up is COOL! Ask for a quote....I am out ;D ;D ;D But it Could be done, and in Brass....Nice! Love the Brass ;D ;D Now Sir Hawk...Why do you keep those sets if they are no good??? ;D ;D  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 16:17:54 GMT -5
We're not done yet!  Too rough a hone job can do two other things: make the bore oversize, and leak, and be so rough the cups are stiff to return against the return spring and your new shoes burn up and overheat the drum. I now remove the guts and if they won't clean nice with no ridge, pits or scores, with 600 grit wet or dry and your finger, they go in the trash! If you have a beauty and you don't want to re-paint, silicone brake fluid in those! I prefer Dot 3 in function. Honing any aluminum cylinders is a disaster. Wait until you oversize a aluminum clutch master, and while sitting at a red light with the petal pushed down, the fricken car decides to go without your command! That's called a peckeroid of a time! ;D John |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 17:22:18 GMT -5
FWIW, I have had very good luck with Wagner wheel cyls., US made and not very expensive, check at your local parts store. Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Nov 26, 2013 19:31:03 GMT -5
I swear on my GPW Starter...That I will buy new! Thats right, I said GPW Starter!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D However, I feel that this is a Good topic.... It should move into Brakes.... Like the post says...MAYBE!! ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 21:58:39 GMT -5
Yes Haines it does say maybe  , I think you did bring to light several Facts, yes wheel cyl. kits are dirt cheap, yes few of us have had little if any luck rebuilding them, yes US made wheel cyls are available, and yes off shore repops are crap. seems we need a brake only thread, this has been excellent info . well worth the time spent on the topic..........By the way I also have the old wheel cyls from my 2A, my dad had saved them, and with wheel cyl. kits, he was going to sleeve them also, but must have decided it was not worth the time. I guess the WILL-IS community are packrats at heart, at least the Colorado and Minnesota ones, LOL. Perhaps we sould all bring a used wheel cyl. to Colorado next fall and throw them off a bridge or into a deep ravine,,,,,kina like spreading ashes of a loved one . Lee |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 22:28:28 GMT -5
So where are we wit this brake thing Haines, you order new yet, or NOS Lee |
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Post by Haines Garage on Dec 10, 2013 22:30:18 GMT -5
Still looking....Maybe Santa brings me some....Budget is tight right now, Christmas and all.
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Post by Haines Garage on Dec 29, 2013 19:48:25 GMT -5
And that is the end of that.............
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 8:32:04 GMT -5
 aaarrrgghh, me pirated thread mateys. Well, not a TOTAL pirate move here. Cute video, Haines. I keep thinking I'm going to make one, too, just to combat you, but I can't think creatively, at the moment! And then you come up with a new one! Forget keeping up with the Jones! Ok...back to cylinders. Sooooooo, we all have these old take-offs laying around...what do we do with them? I HATE throwing parts away, even if I know I'll never uses them again! What do we do with ANY take-off parts that can't be reused? Also, what about the brake shoes? I've got several sets sitting here. I always replace those suckers with new. I know linings can be bought and riveted, but I don't really have any desire to waltz down that road. What do you guys do with your old shoes? The only ones I'd want to keep and toss on my shelves are my "F" marked ones. I've got 6-8 of those little beauties. Bo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 8:58:36 GMT -5
The other appropriate use of crappy frustrating parts is to take them out to the rifle range and put them to good use. Beware of ricochets though. Eye protection may not be good enough! You also need to wash those parts nice and clean before destroying them. They can splatter all over the walls and you. Good safe tactics of destroying parts will ensure you don't injure yourself. What I do now with all my junk metal is take them to the scrap yard for restitution.! john
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 2, 2014 22:33:52 GMT -5
HMMMMMMMM? Now you are just giving me IDEAS!!!  |
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Post by athawk11 on Jan 3, 2014 23:21:53 GMT -5
You are seriously cracking me up. You could try making them into a wind chime.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 9:02:46 GMT -5
At the shop we were thinking about deleting the flower garden and putting crankshafts and camshafts in. Metal art. You don't have to water them. Then we realized that thieves could pull them out and use them to break in. Too easy for them. You'd have to cement them in. Too expensive. The blue hairs wouldn't like it either! John |
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Post by Haines Garage on Jan 4, 2014 19:58:42 GMT -5
At the shop we were thinking about deleting the flower garden and putting crankshafts and camshafts in. Metal art. You don't have to water them. Then we realized that thieves could pull them out and use them to break in. Too easy for them. You'd have to cement them in. Too expensive. The blue hairs wouldn't like it either! John Now that would be funny Sir, but you are right, probably disappear...people and scrap metal  Wait a minute...I called you Sir....We need to have a vote at the Knights Of The Jeep Round Table.... I nominate you for such...watch on a separate thread...you will see it |
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Too rough a hone job can do two other things: make the bore oversize, and leak, and be so rough the cups are stiff to return against the return spring and your new shoes burn up and overheat the drum. I now remove the guts and if they won't clean nice with no ridge, pits or scores, with 600 grit wet or dry and your finger, they go in the trash! If you have a beauty and you don't want to re-paint, silicone brake fluid in those! I prefer Dot 3 in function. Honing any aluminum cylinders is a disaster. Wait until you oversize a aluminum clutch master, and while sitting at a red light with the petal pushed down, the fricken car decides to go without your command! 
, I think you did bring to light several Facts, yes wheel cyl. kits are dirt cheap, yes few of us have had little if any luck rebuilding them, yes US made wheel cyls are available, and yes off shore repops are crap. seems we need a brake only thread, this has been excellent info 
aaarrrgghh, me pirated thread mateys.
