" Engine Was Just Overhauled"

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Don't know what your experience has been, but everytime I look at a vehicle for sale, the owner says it was overhauled. Transmission too! That's what I was told when I bought Bugsey the 1943 GPW. Well, it wasn't. None of it. I think it was a total screwing. Go drive it and see for yourself. I did. It runs great. But, it was not just overhauled. Cracked valve spring, shims under the springs, original rear transfercase seal F marked, on and on. You have to see the machine shop receipt and date to really know. Mysteriously, those were not produced. Just a bunch of hype from sellers. The repairs continue. I cut the welded on LF fender off in preparations to pull the steering column. It needs sector, and bushings in the box. The drag link end most likely has a broken spring in it. We'll see what the pitman arm looks like. I need to tighten up the steering and this is all that's left to fix. The amazing thing is the horn wiring is intact and original. First time I've ever seen this. Steering wheel came off without a fight! The tranny shifts poorly, doesn't grind, but pops out of 2nd and the selector rods are not fully moving out of 2nd when going to first. I'm hoping for light repairs, but we'll see. All in all, Bugsey is just a pal. Like your favorite comfortable worn out shirt. Feels good and you are at home in it. Good fun and good times in him already. I will most likely tour Canada in him in July. One additional note: When looking through the receipts I got with Bugsey, the previous owners were abused by the "mechanics". Terrible labor charges and sometimes double billing. A bunch of crooks. Learning, and doing your own repair is worth way more than most realise. So, buy all the Jeeps you can and get busy. Summers coming! Oilly

[zooke581]

I never trust a used vehicle I buy and pay accordingly. You will have a good jeep when you are done and piece of mind.

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That there is excellent advice Sir Leaker!! It helps if you have a little old time mechanical experience in your back pocket!
Like being raised on a farm!

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Update: 2nd gear is toast. The rest looked pretty good. So, the T84 is coming out along with the steering column and starter. Time for some winter R&R for Bugsey. The synchroniser hub and 3rd gear are beautiful. Someone must have been in it before. And----------------the wavy washer is missing. We'll see how the mainshaft measures and the bearing conditions. Transfercase worked well with no unusual noises. Lots of "F"ed parts too. Henry was here! The more I look at Bugsey, the better I feel about buying him. Amazing amount of original stuff on him. Jeep Gold. Invest for the future: buy Jeeps!

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Aint it something when you have to take your jeep apart so you can find something to do to keep you off the street?? Just sell another Limey car to pay for the parts!! Gotta love it! Only 6 months to get him ready John.

[jeffwho]

I think I want to find another ragged out GPW for parts, and learn how to rebuild the transmission etc so I can pretend I can keep up with you guys on the forum. I don't want to buy tons of reproduction parts if I can help it, but I recently saw a photo of a guy working in the dark, in a car park, on his transmission which was in a trillion or more parts. Nah - I'd rather carry along another one once I figure out even how to get it out in the first place! LAWL (how Schiller says LOL, kinda like "I made another vidi-yuh" LOL actual) Geechie Haines!

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There's only one problem with your thinking Jeff! It's a known fact that the same part wears out on all the same models. Your only saving would be, that your parts jeep had a lot less use than the one you're driving! Otherwise, the same part that gives up on yours, will be fubbared on the parts one too!! Just make sure the part you carry is in good shape!!

[jeffwho]

As usual, I can't write what's in my rock. Anyway, I'd be locked away surely so let's go with this:
What I meant to convey was that I'd like to find a ragged parts vehicle, recover usable assemblies, REBUILD them with new or NOS stock, and then keep 'em around as spares.
I'm not the sharpest hammer in the box.

[Deleted]

That's a perfect way to end up buying another Jeep to put those extras in. Sneaky way to get past the wife?? Slowy build it, one piece at a time. Let her get used to it. Then, all of a sudden there is a Jeep sitting there.

[jeffwho]

"Oh no honey, that's the same jeep, you must need a nap" hahaha

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When I am looking at a jeep to buy, or any vehicle for that matter, if the seller tells me that the engine or any other major component has just been "rebuilt" or "overhauled", If I didn't do the work or know who did and know he does good work, the value of the vehicle in my mind goes down instantly. The seller thinks that is a plus, but not in my mind. Just look at any of the forums and see how many people have an engine, transmission, carburetor, etc, go sour immediately after a "rebuild" which likely amounted to taking it apart, maybe cleaning it up, then putting it back together. I'll bet that the Model A Ford guys, the Flathead V8 guys, the Stovebolt guys, etc, etc, and yes, of course the English car guys, see the same thing happening. BW (TS)

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Got it Jeff, just takes awhile! LOL

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Transmission is stripped. Not good. I'm replacing the entire gear set and shafts. Chipped teeth, bad bushings, too much taper and chipping to the drive dogs, 2/3 shifter fork is toast, bearings toast, weak poppet ball springs. Good part is the shifter is fine, the case is undamaged, and the mainshaft is fine. All new gears ought to make it a beauty------LOL. How in heck it motored about is amazing. I haven't looked into the transfercase yet. It worked and sounded fine, but we'll see. Seems that all old Jeep T84's and T90's need alot of help. Dirt, water, metal, wrong gear lube, and no lube seem to be common and kill them. If it sat uncovered outside, most likely shot. Do yourself a favor, put on a good shift boot that won't allow water to run down the shifter and enter the tranny. It goes all the way into the tranfercase and screws it all. Bruce pretty much summed it up. The school of Jeep is a expensive education. Oilly

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First off, Brent Mullins Jeep parts has many T84 NOS parts.......... T84's had a 90 day life expectancy, that was 70+ years back..... Shift boots, where in your fantasy world can you get a rubber non Chi-Com replacement that will last more than a week in the sun ?....... Leather ?.

[Haines Garage]

This topic....And I am reminded again today..
This was my paper I handed in a long time ago to be graded...

hainesgarage.proboards.com/thread/507/words-all

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Last time I saw 3B Huckleberry Dan he was sewing up a leather boot by hand.

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You can still buy in the military box, a M38 shifter boot. It sealed the cane and the top shifter housing. For a T 84, it won't fit the housing, but would fit the cane. Rain umbrella. I ordered all that brett had, and now it's Peter's turn. Brett's NOS stuff is mostly WOF. Still good stuff. I'm doing my best to stay away from Omix Ada and Crown. (Not Crown Royal though) I don't mind Japanese made bearings, they seem to be fine. The good old federal and timkin stuff is mostly gone now. Sad to think even roller bearings are no longer USA quality steel. Vote for The Donald and make America Great Again. Harry will stop him though. He hates everyone. One more year of "The affordable Health Care", and then it will die on the vine. If Hilly gets in, I'm heading for the mountains and digging in. Oil

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Well, along with the just overhauled engine, the previous owner bragged about the new starter. When I took Bugsey on Bruce's No. Colo. run, I had several experiences with the starter locking up upon pressing the starter button. Only way we could free it up was rock the Jeep in gear back and forth. Try that on a mountainside hill climb. We did. So I expected to find a shot starter bell housing bushing. Negative! The starter ring on the flywheel is shot. So, I pulled the bell, and clutch to get the flywheel off. Lo and behold, crappy mechanics again. Pressure plate was reused and it's cracking. Clutch disc was new and the flywheel was resurfaced. The cheap jerks ignored the ring!!!!!!!!!! So, new clutch, and ring while I'm in there. Better bolts and star washers too! The new starter also had a home made brush cover on it. Looked like they did clean it all up and put a new bendix on it. I had a good starter cover, so that now looks much better. One good thing was all the bolts I've run into are F marked. Everything is Ford. Even the flywheel, bell, covers, transfercase, tranny, shift levers, all Ford. Cool stuff. Oilly

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Transfercase examined after cleaning. I already replaced the rear seal on the rear output. Some wear to the gears, but not enough to change them. The intermediate has roller bearings in it and looks great. But--------the front output nut had no cotter pin in it. It was a bit loose and I took the yoke off. Bubba had done a crap job of installing a new seal. Not in all the way and the lip seal spring was off and loose. Thankfully the bearing is fine. New seal coming today. Poppet balls and springs were fine too. It never popped out of range while driving, so I think I'm good to go with the transfercase. The master cylinder was dripping fluid. I wiped it all off and watched it. Guess what, it was coming out through the end of the switch. Fargin crap. Got a nos ring gear and switch coming. I'll have to put it all back together and install it before I can start in on the steering box. No room on the bench. My shop is a mess. Two dead Jeep pickups in the way. It's a tough life.