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Post by jeffwho on Dec 3, 2015 11:02:40 GMT -5
No, surprisingly this isn't about my wife kicking me to the curb. I am going to start this thread as seriously as I can. I mean, you could punt me into the ether for even having the audacity to post a non-W-word jeep on here anyways ..
I think this is karma telling me that I've pushed my luck - I have been yakking about getting a "full system checkup" so I can budget for parts during the winter (ha, in South Carolina!) and establish a baseline for EOL on parts, since I have absolutely no idea how long any of the components have been installed in the vehicle. I said from the outset that I wanted to drive it until I couldn't, so this is it. I guess I should be happy that she ran so well for so long, and that I was able to have the fun I did with all the veterans who rode in or drove her. What great memories already!
A few days back, "Thing 2" and I went out for a ride. I thought it would be short, but I decided once we took the road that hit the highway (Proclaimers!) I would open her up a bit to shake out the cobwebs. She hadn't been out since Hanahan, and I was not in a particularly good mood and the jeep always cheers me up. I almost cracked a smile when Thomas alerted me to smoke coming from the muffler. Poor kid was getting all smoked out of the vehicle. I immediately found a safe place to U-turn and headed home. Parked just for a moment waiting on traffic, I noticed that this was not normal, or anything I had ever seen because face it I don't know what "normal" is. The closer we got to home, OR the further we went, the thicker the smoke became, and when I stopped at the stop sign the smoke engulfed us and boy was it unpleasant. I got home, cut off the motor and decided I should be happy I didn't get stranded on the side of the road waiting to be pulled home, (been there, done that) AND that my bad luck didn't slash onto Weesie this time.
I started researching on G503 and here, and pretty much have decided that it's the head gasket. I noticed lately that the coolant level always seemed low, but not the oil. What my untrained eye didn't pick up on was the incorrect viscosity of the oil. On the "Day of the Smoke" the oil was very thin, and this time was WAY higher than it had been. Though I suppose I waited way too long to be able to pick up on the fact it was "milkshakey" since it was settled, I was also too afraid to start the jeep to try and get some oil circulated to verify this symptom. I opened up the radiator, and before I could even get close enough to try and check the level with my eye, I was assaulted by a funky "burning match and roasted armadillo" stench. So, even though Bo told me that it would probably be OK to start her up, just to cycle some oil and check that, I am way paranoid that I will do more damage, or that my wife will come out when the smoke chokes up the garage. I want to drain the oil to check whether it's "milkshakey" there, but he suggested keeping the oil in the system to verify that the issue is the head gasket.
Guess we are much closer to the "full system check" than I wanted to be. And I was SOOOOO CLOSE to winning the mileage contest. Durn.
I think the next course of action will be to start her up, verify the oil on the stick is gooned up, check coolant levels, etc., and then eventually get Moosey over with his pressure testing kit, and learn how to diagnose and do some of these things for myself. I am sure I could learn from a book, but .. aw hell who am I kidding, I require adult supervision! LOL. I'll do as much as in the way of improvements as I can while she's out of commission. I know that I need several things, so it will be much easier to come to term with taking more apart since she's not drivable. I've always wanted to take her more apart than I ever had!
More to come. Guess that trek to Mont Peasant is out for now, too, Scott.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 12:18:08 GMT -5
You didn’t happen to look at the oil pressure gauge or the temperature gauge? Maybe? I hope?
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Post by jeffwho on Dec 3, 2015 13:31:47 GMT -5
It's a blur now, but I remember not being alarmed BEFORE the smoke, and after the smoke I was just concerned in getting home safe with Junior in the dummy seat. Perhaps, had I gone solo I would have thought about gauges. I was looking to my right a lot at the smoke ...
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Post by rudycon on Dec 3, 2015 15:23:10 GMT -5
Things could be worse. I mean you got to shut down where you wanted to by choice as it was still running. Now You can always sell it as "Ran When Parked."
I have seen blown head gaskets look a lot like smoke, but it was really just steam. Pull the plugs before you crank it over. Don't want to bend a rod if a cylinder is now full of water after it sits and cools down.
Head gasket is just a couple of hours to remove, a couple of weeks at the machine shop while you clean up the block and make sure it looks good enough.
An after noon to spray copper coat on both sides of the new head gasket, bolt the checked over/resurfaced head. Run it up to temp. Let it cool down, torque it down again. Use non-hardening permatex on the bolts that enter the water jacket.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 15:46:57 GMT -5
That would be Permatex #2 on the non-hardening sealer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 18:19:33 GMT -5
I voted for Bacon, some people do not approve of it!  Jeff, best of luck to you on repairs, I hope the weight of the new fuel can did not cause the problem, LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 18:45:21 GMT -5
I'm with the Cap'n! Bacon=Good! I might be reading your post wrong.... If you oil is thin and not milky, it might be your fuel pump has a hole in the diaphragm and pumping gas into your crankcase, thinning the oil to the point of it being able to get past the rings and being burnt into thick blue smoke. Just something else to check, that's all!  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 19:30:24 GMT -5
Bbbbbbbacon is good, and I agree with Gary
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 19:32:11 GMT -5
Bbbbbbbacon is good, and I agree with Gary
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 19:50:22 GMT -5
3 words. Bacon, Lettuce, Tomato.
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Post by Haines Garage on Dec 3, 2015 19:59:29 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear this Jeff. If memory serves me correct, your GPW has a civy Willis engine.
I like the comment Sir Gary made.
I am a big prick when it comes to things like this.
I understand the patch and drive thing, really I do.
Here is what I think.
Head gasket blown, you would have antifreeze in your oil.
Now, there is a famous crack that happens between the cylinders in the L134.
That would make a smoker.
Cracks Are Not Visable to the human eye!!!!
Unless you are Steve Austin , the Bionic Man!!
You have to have the head and block Magnifluxed!!!!
But before we get All Excited.
Pull the head.
Let's start there.
Hey!!! I know someone close to you that has a GPW engine !!!
Maybe he will sell it to you ?!
And Simmons Machine Shop in West Ashley is The Best around here.
If your gearing up for a full restore that is Awesome too.
Did you get your Kelly Flint from the Mooster?
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Post by Haines Garage on Dec 3, 2015 20:22:37 GMT -5
3 words. Bacon, Lettuce, Tomato. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 22:13:16 GMT -5
My original thought to him was to check the oil first....to see if it's milkshaky. I don't know if after a period of time the oil and antifreeze would separate. If the oil looked fine, then I'd crank it to see if it gets churned up and transforms into something nasty.
Also, a compression check was discussed.
How about pulling the spark plugs and seeing what color they are?
Lastly, did we ever see what color the smoke screen was?
I wouldn't pop the head off until a few more facts are discovered...
...if safe to do so.
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Post by Haines Garage on Dec 3, 2015 22:22:36 GMT -5
My original thought to him was to check the oil first....to see if it's milkshaky. I don't know if after a period of time the oil and antifreeze would separate. If the oil looked fine, then I'd crank it to see if it gets churned up and transforms into something nasty. Also, a compression check was discussed. How about pulling the spark plugs and seeing what color they are? Lastly, did we ever see what color the smoke screen was? I wouldn't pop the head off until a few more facts are discovered... ...if safe to do so. Agreed. But... You will see... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 7:06:23 GMT -5
Here's what I would do..... Just a Lowly Texican's thoughts.. Drain the oil. Coolant settles to the bottom, so if antifreeze/water comes out first, that's a clue. If the oil is thin and reeks of gasoline that was dumped in the gasshole, another clue.  Ether way, gas/oil or especially the antifreeze/ oil combination is VERY bad on bearings. It needs to come out. If oil/coolant drains out, drain radiator, refill with fresh oil, run a compression test. A few years ago, I replaced a blown head gasket on a 22R Toyota engine, a few weeks later I got to pull the pan and replace the bearings. When in doubt, always drain the oil. Again, just my humble opinion, I'm not from Alabama, so I can't always be right.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 7:21:01 GMT -5
"Gasshole".  Nice. Very nice. How cups of coffee have you had already today? Or did you roll through Starbucks on your way to work? Be honest...you've had a latte today! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 7:41:22 GMT -5
"Gasshole". Nice. Very nice. How cups of coffee have you had already today? Or did you roll through Starbucks on your way to work? Be honest...you've had a latte today! No coffee yet, no work today or tonight  . Just up to take the super-poopers out. Can't afford Starbucks and they don't let Chebbie pick-ups with gun racks in the drive-tru anyways... Community Coffee is the best I can do......  |
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Post by jeffwho on Dec 4, 2015 9:43:03 GMT -5
Let it be known that for once I wasn't the bastage wut derailed this thread!
All recommendations will be considered and fully fretted over before doing anything. At this point, several days after the incident, I am sure that things have all settled and perchance may even appear "normal". I don't recall a blue tinge to the "smoke", but it did honestly have more a "steamy" appearance. I'm sure that's a technical term....
Given opportunity to put an honest GPW engine in the thing would be nice, but this is no G503 garage queen, nor do I ever want to inflict that misery upon her. She's meant to purr and putter about with the nonagenarians I can find who want to bask in the nostalgia of canvas-y glories of yesteryear!
Having said THAT, rest assured that I promise not to work unsupervised. LOL, admit it - you bastages were thinking it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 7:31:41 GMT -5
Let it be known that for once I wasn't the bastage wut derailed this thread! That would be your fellow east coast buddy.....Starbucks my a$$, lol!.All recommendations will be considered and fully fretted over before doing anything. At this point, several days after the incident, I am sure that things have all settled and perchance may even appear "normal". I don't recall a blue tinge to the "smoke", but it did honestly have more a "steamy" appearance. I'm sure that's a technical term.... Steam.......Probably head gasket.....Just guess though...Given opportunity to put an honest GPW engine in the thing would be nice, but this is no G503 garage queen, GASP! LOL! nor do I ever want to inflict that misery upon her. Just to clarify.....Nothing at all against Ron F's G503.... Very informative site! Just a select FEW of the personalities over there..... Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.... She's meant to purr and putter about with the nonagenarians I can find who want to bask in the nostalgia of canvas-y glories of yesteryear! Right one, Jeep Brother!Having said THAT, rest assured that I promise not to work unsupervised Why the hell not? How else are you gonna fix 'er? Would Chesty Puller wait for someone else to affix his bayonet? ? There's plenty of folks here to he'p ya along! We won't leave you hanging!!! . LOL, admit it - you bastages were thinking it! Hehehe |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 9:39:19 GMT -5
C'mon...get cracking! The Cap'n is very impatient when it comes to this kind of crap. W
What did you discover in the oil?
I'm still giggling about your gasshole.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 15:30:51 GMT -5
C'mon...get cracking! The Cap'n is very impatient when it comes to this kind of crap. W What did you discover in the oil? I'm still giggling about your gasshole. Hey.... Bretto started it!! See for yourself! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 19:55:19 GMT -5
The kid is ruined and it's all our fault! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 20:28:52 GMT -5
Where do you get this “our” crap paleface?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 21:27:15 GMT -5
Pure as the driven snow before joining this site.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 21:53:15 GMT -5
I believe he was corrupted as soon as he climbed into a white Ford pickup in Idaho!! |
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. Just up to take the super-poopers out. 
? There's plenty of folks here to he'p ya along! We won't leave you hanging!!! . LOL, admit it - you bastages were thinking it! Hehehe