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Post by Ryan_M on May 25, 2015 15:49:18 GMT -5
If you've been following any of my scavenging posts you've seen my yard sale find trailer that I picked up last fall. It's a solid trailer but needed a little sprucing up. I have to do some Jeep hauling pretty soon so I had to get at it. The frame is rock solid but the fenders were completely shot.  The deck is also solid but had been neglected.  An angle grinder and recip saw made quick work of the old fenders. I ended up cutting those inner skirts out and reshaping them to match the different radius of the new fenders too.  Fenders primed and painted  Shoehorned everything into the garage for a bit. Tough to weld in 40mph gusting winds.  New fenders installed and back outside to pressure wash the deck. If anyone is planning on a similar task it takes exactly 1 six-pack long to accomplish. Tedious stuff.  Checked the wheel bearings and everything looks good. Onto the shady-car-dealership style undercarriage paint job.  Deck boards dried and then stained with whatever leftover waterproofing swill I could find in the garage. One of the middle deck boards was cracked but instead of having to replace it I ruggedly braced from underneath. The PO hauled a Kubota and my guess is he broke that board trying to re-position the tractor with the backhoe bucket. Bad idea. For Jeep hauling purposes the middle boards could be missing completely and it wouldn't matter.  Rims painted black so I could avoid the horrible task of masking off the tires.  I'm out of time today but the next step will be to neaten up the wiring. I'd like to add a spare tire bracket and some sort of winch too even if it's just a manual one. The bulk of the work is done though. Came out pretty good for what started as a random yard sale score. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:05:25 GMT -5
You got drive and energy. I suppose you are trading the trailer straight accross for the MB you looked at? Oh, where is all the white stuff? Oilly
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Post by jeffwho on May 25, 2015 16:31:38 GMT -5
Goodness - great work, looks like new Ryan. Skills to pay the bills!
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Post by Haines Garage on May 25, 2015 17:30:51 GMT -5
That is a very nice trailer, Not only the skills, to fix, I should like a lesson from you Sir Ryan in the Negotiating Skills you have....Wink!   |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 20:22:23 GMT -5
IMHO, skip the winch. A quality cable Come-Along is very handy and requires no battery or other maintenance. Nice looking trailer, all the welding lessons on that tub last winter made this project easy, didn't it!, and the next one more so.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 3:59:46 GMT -5
Ah, Captain. I gotta disagree. With a service plug wired into the pickup's bumper you're correct in that no additional battery is needed. Work half the day clearing brush from a derelict then look at that "manual labor" come-along again. Give me a good winch any day. Keep the come-along as a back up.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 6:32:48 GMT -5
A cool idea that I use, is install a hitch ball welded to a thick steel plate, bolted to the front of the trailer. Then you can use either a electric winch, or a two speed boat hand crank winch with a ball reciever hitch assembly that is attached to the winch. You can move the winch from trailer to trailer if you have different ones. I am not a electric winch guy myself due to the fact that 90 % of the trailers I've been around that others have fail before you get the rig loaded. Then it really is by hand! Something frys or their remote battery is usually shot, even if they charged it before they left. Running heavy cable to the rear from the front is also expensive since copper is almost the value of gold anymore. Cable come alongs, chain type come alongs or coffing hoists work fine if they are in good operating condition. The boat crank works well for me. I can load a dead 3100 lb Jeep pickup all by myself with it. It's a little underpowered though.  Oil |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 13:18:25 GMT -5
Ah, Captain. I gotta disagree. With a service plug wired into the pickup's bumper you're correct in that no additional battery is needed. Work half the day clearing brush from a derelict then look at that "manual labor" come-along again. Give me a good winch any day. Keep the come-along as a back up. Been there done that!. Chainsaw brush and trees, hook a chain to the latest great deal, pull from its past resting spot to an easier place to load. I'll use a come-along! |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 14:31:25 GMT -5
I once had occasion to recover an old Cadillac overgrown with scrub that was 20 yards down a hill and another 20 yards away from the base of that hill. No other way to do it but extra chain at the end of almost all of the wire rope from the Braden mounted on the front of my Power Wagon. That was a classic snatch. To get it over the crest I had to lock the hubs, put in granny low reverse and snatch it up. Even for the short pulls I'll stick to the winch. Just call me lazy.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 21:04:19 GMT -5
Not implying anyone is lazy, I had, and still have a winch for my trailer, and the plug in the bumper, on my ford.................. On a tough recovery, the plug in the bumper melted (rated for winch), Then I went to a marine battery, that worked good for a while. Then the connections in the winch failed, and needed rewireing. If I was doing it again I would get a 110V winch and a portable generator. Now a front mount hitch on the Dodge to hook the trailer to would be an awesome recovery rig.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 3:46:20 GMT -5
So much dependency on a small heavy black box that doesn't like you enough that it bites and spits sparks at you. Options:
- PTO Winch on front with ball hitch at the front.
- Electric Winch on front with ball hitch at the front.
- Boat Winch on front with ball hitch at the front.
Or any of the three at the back end.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:43:53 GMT -5
8-)Nice trailer! One day I hope to have a Willys to haul
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Post by Ryan_M on May 27, 2015 19:54:53 GMT -5
Jeez...I feel like I lit a match and walked away. Thanks for the spirited debate on elec vs manual winches. I have opted team of pulling goats instead. Found 'em on a Summerville Craigslist ad...  |
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Post by athawk11 on May 27, 2015 20:22:25 GMT -5
That trailer turned out great. Nice work Ryan.
Because of this spirited conversation, I researched boat cranks. I like this idea. Let's say someone wanted to pull a rolling vehicle onto a trailer. Let's say...a Willys. What "LBS" rating should this 'someone' consider?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 20:57:53 GMT -5
That trailer turned out great. Nice work Ryan. Because of this spirited conversation, I researched boat cranks. I like this idea. Let's say someone wanted to pull a rolling vehicle onto a trailer. Let's say...a Willys. What "LBS" rating should this 'someone' consider? Tim A loaded flatty is like 3000 LBS. A boat winch rated for more than that, with a snatch block will double the effort, may be do-able............ And Moooosey, we did all the snatch block jokes on the pto winch thread, so no reason to repeat!.......... HG, wear your safety glasses!.  |
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Post by Ryan_M on May 28, 2015 5:11:41 GMT -5
Because of this spirited conversation, I researched boat cranks. I like this idea. In all seriousness I did start looking at these yesterday as it seems the most sensible option for me at this point. Most of the boat cranks I found do not come anywhere near the 3,000lb rating. I'm assuming since the intended cargo is usually a floating boat there really isn't a lot of weight requirement. Bigger ones are out there but they sure don't give them away. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 12:56:22 GMT -5
CJ2A is 2100, pickup is 3100. Remeber it rolls so you are not lifting it up. You can do the math from here. One note: the crank handle needs clearance, and if you move it too far back from the front, you run out of room to pull the rig far enough forward. Oil
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Post by Ryan_M on May 28, 2015 14:06:01 GMT -5
CJ2A is 2100, pickup is 3100. Remeber it rolls so you are not lifting it up. You can do the math from here. One note: the crank handle needs clearance, and if you move it too far back from the front, you run out of room to pull the rig far enough forward. Oil I was thinking of a mounting bracket across the A-frame so is completely forward of the deck. I'm not sure how high it should be though. As level as possible with the deck, right? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 14:40:37 GMT -5
Jeep axle height up bumper height. This is more or less a level pull. Any lower and you will be pulling down on the jeep as well as forward.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:29:37 GMT -5
It has to be high enough to crank it. Also, when the rig is at the beginning of the ramps, the cable will rub on the rear edge of the trailer until the rig comes up the ramps. Some guys have a pipe installed for the cable to rub on. You don't use it to haul the rig with at the front either. Bad idea. After you get crank height, and it clears the front headache part of the trailer , it really doesn't matter. Oilly
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:59:16 GMT -5
I must say I do like a good wench.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 3:55:53 GMT -5
I must say I do like a good wench. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 6:25:53 GMT -5
The brand of winch is called: "Arm Strong". You take the wench along with the winch don't you? |
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